Nietzsche shortcuts

The slave needs a master. The Christian needs an “evil man” to justify his will to power … because he was taught for centuries that those on top of the society are evil, and now … look who is on top of the society … Christians have no more consolation … that is why drugs are everywhere in the democratic parliaments, detected in the toilets … as Nietzsche said, now they will see that they have not more right than their enemies and that they stand on the same ground of will to power and desire the same hated political power as their enemies. And that is what leads them to destruction (or even the morality to self-destrucion)… when it shows up as immoral … then the self-destruction of the futile occurs… with drugs (“poisoning”) etc.

Why would CN celebrate anybody posting about Nietzsche on an internet forum? Perhaps he thinks the democrats need to rule in order to keep the world safe from people who read Nietzsche? Is that the new consolation of the Christians?

Where would the moderators stand if that were the case?

Contra-Nietzsche, you puzzle me.

Lately I have sort of made him my hobby, but certainly not to the extend that he made Cezar his.

C-N (and others), don’t derail the thread. If there’s anything else you want to talk about, please start a new one.

And everyone: keep things civil.

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It could be Vollgraff is involved too:

Two scenes, maybe TSZ - relevant. Both dealing with morals.

Basically, a culture declines when the language degenerates. (this is now independent from the post) Customs and morals too. The point is that it seems that the German language didn’t degenerate until the end: thus the decadence must come from outside, not from the weakness! but luxury etc. already entered the society(it was also beloved by the northern German barbarians bordering with Rome). Nietzsche’s answer was that the Western decadence comes from Christianity, because the Christian god wants luxury - he is an old decadent man. That is why N’s Zarathustra attacks Christianity and fights for the moral renewal of Europe. But Zumpt gives a good argument (at the end of the book) by claiming that Christianity actually desires sensual pleasures and is fully in harmony with the Roman decadence, well as it’s religious expression and even the “heavenly kingdom” on Earth is to be imagined as a decadent party. Such arguments would give a stronger sound to his Antichrist.

Here they are, all together, Including Vollgraff!

sezession.de/6532/dokumentat … rfall.html

Vollgraff: Anthropognosie, Ethnognosie, Polygnosie … I have the feeling that sentences from TSZ are already raining there!

A documentary: The Power of Nightmares – The Rise of the Politics of Fear

“Oh, why am I a decadent? Wait, I need to kill the evil, if I don’t kill the evil, I will remain a decadent!”

“Death of the people” from TSZ was probably happening from the 13th until the 15th century. Vollgraff puts 3 markers into the history of people and sets a lifetime of 800+300 for each population. The beginning of all European populations is set in the Migration Period and finds an equivalent period in ancient Greece in the conquest of Troy. The second marker are the invasions of the crusaders and its equivalent are the Persian invasions. But it is remarkable that this invasions are not going from the same directions.
And the third marker was laid at the point of appearance of the Great Men of whom the 15th century was full, and it’s equivalent in ancient Greece was Alexander. The period around the 10th century was the time where many European people have abandoned their religions and gods, which is for Zarathustra a crucial sign.

Here is an aphorism from Karl Friedrich Vollgraff which explains in my opinion a half of Thus Spoke Zarathustra. It is in German, but that could be a good filter against the flies from the market

We can remember how many excellent people were expelled from Athens through ostracism and atimia.

Hola Holland?
Vollgraff - Oekumenische Politik.zip (4.18 KB)

Is this not Zarathustra?

“c) Die subjective Aufklärung ist, wie gesagt, die Erkenntnifs des eigenen Charakters durch den eigenen Verstand, aber der eigene Verstand ist nicht kräftig genug, seinen Nachbar den eigenen Charakter zu erkennen, wenn ihm die sittliche Kraft dabei nicht die Hindernisse negativ wegräumt, nemlich die rohen Leidenschaften verschwinden, welche den Verstand am ruhigen Denken hindern. Der See der sittlichen Kraft läfst sich vom Verstände nur dann befahren und sondiren, wenn Windstille herrscht, d. h. keine unsittlichen Leidenschaften toben.” - Vollgraff, Oekumenische Politik, §. 6. 7. Was ist Aufklärung?

“Freundschaft ist das Zusammenfliefsen zweier Willen in einen, so dafs daraus nun ein Leben zweier Wesen entsteht” - Vollgraff. Wahre Freundschaft ist also wenn man alles für das andere Wesen tut, während die wahre Liebe nur ein Wunsch nach alles-tun ist und deshalb unter der wahren Freundschaft steht. “Nicht Mangel an Liebe sondern Mangel an Freundschaft macht schlechte Ehen.” - Friedrich Nietzsche

When Nietzsche said he would give a deadly stroke to all modern people, this can be founded in the entire book of Vollgraff called Modern nations of Europe

Selbstsucht (selfishness) which is usually a bad passion, has a noble exception/modus:

“Die Wissenschaften werden vielleicht einmal von den Frauen betrieben: die Männer sollen geistig schaffen, Staaten Gesetze Kunstwerke usw.” - Nietzsche, 1875

“Das Weib kann sehr viel lernen, über recht Vielerley sinnig reflectiren und recht gut darstellen, aber es kann nichts erfinden, das ist Sache des geistigen Mannes.” K.F. Vollgraff, Anthropognosie (1852), § 142, a

We learn only through sickness what health is.