Why the Nazis actually won...

What is that?

The Nazis would take physical space. They intended(and partially succeeded) to deport the people from the land, kill them or enslave them. That has the key foreign policy in the east.

Is that what is happening in Greece?

WWII changed all cultures and governments forever.
Next we will be in the age of the resource wars. Those days are coming in our lifetime I believe.
Some people are already trying to prepare and react.

Fascism aspects, those never died. They reformed and were used by both democrats and communists.

He was also reluctant to attck the UK on race based adn then practical military concerns. He assumed that given their racial closeness they should be allies. Further this doesn’t mean the Nazis won. We have more dogs as pets than we did before WW2 and Hilter liked dogs, but this does nto mean Hitler won.

Then the US ‘won’. Russia had the first satellites. Did that mean the Nazis lost?

You can’t take a tiny piece of what the Nazis wanted - which surely was not that the US would be the first nation to achieve something rather than Germany - and then if it comes to pass this means the Nazis won. Just as honors coming to Einstein would not mean that the Germans won.

I have a tiny bit of sympathy here. I do think there is something sick in the way genetics is being conceived,b ut it isn’t, for the most part, being conceived as a set of tools to create a victorious Aryan race.

I think it would have been better to start with this last idea. It is not well supported by your post. The Nazi were a radically nationalistic, racist party skeptical about internationalizing forces. They would be horrified by the world today. The EU for example which directly affects German sovreignty. How much the races mix in all sorts of ways, black presidents, decadent media, postmodernist art - he was already shocked enough by modernist art, imagine how he would feel about MTV and performance art. The world is less like the one the Nazis would have wanted, much less. That certain memes are present in the present that can be found in Nazi Germany - but also in many other places - does not mean that the Nazis won.

Germany is the leader in EU and actually exploits it to its own purposes. In a way it has succeeded to conquer Europe but with economic means. And no matter what the problems tody, it just does not want to give up any of its powers no matter what. Wages in Greece have fallen about 30% in the last 3 years and yet our debt is still rising. Modern wars do not need to have blood…

Nazism is a technique used to cause change and profit.

Those who “win” are not the Nazis, but rather the users.
You guys still seem to have no idea of the purpose of WW1 and WW2.

So, if we redefine the standard meanings of war, enslavement, deportation and murder … then EU Germany is exactly like Nazi Germany. :open_mouth:

Hey, it worked for America. :evilfun:

That’s why top Nazi scientrists got special treatment and were justly rewarded for their contributions to US science.

  1. perhaps communism crashed because its base philosophy was flawed; especially after mechanisation of farming, because then farming requires it’s supporting industries, which in turn require capitalist institutions etc.

  2. hmm, not sure if rockets were before jets, but either way I am sure the Germans didn’t invent it or its originator [ancient Chinese wasn’t it?].

  3. I could point out that the fact western medicine follows Mengele, could simply mean that they are equally as ‘evil’.

I think the difference for modern medicine though is in the nature of it’s practice and application.

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Probably true, though Britain also holds a balance between the states and Europe, are allies etc, china/asia is another player. whoever comes out on top will have to do as they are told as much as anyone else IMHO ~ this as there are many balancing parties involved. That’s the fundamental design here surely? …and can we not ask if that’s a good thing?

Jk; in the end it all comes down to the germans being those good chappies who build our cars for us, and the chinese for most everything else. Jolly good chaps them all. :laughing: hmm I think that was a wrong thing to say. :stuck_out_tongue:

In the end america got wall street [no’s 1] and we got the city of london financial district [no’s 2]. Now guess where much of the worlds money first gets syphoned off!

I wonder if you asked one of the few remaining Nazis, if they would tell you they feel as though they’ve won.

:stuck_out_tongue:

I’m 99% sure they would bitch and moan about women, blacks, liberals etc. and make out they were really hard done by.

And whose fault is that? If whites can’t come together collectively to defend ourselves we as a race deserve to die.

As for white females they’re too busy with money and careers to have family or children. Another nail in our coffin due to a race that has a inability to even mate anymore. It’s like the entire white European caucasian race has gone queer.

If whites can’t compete with other races it’s nature’s will that we go extincted.

End of argument.

The British royal family and many MPs had strong bonds with the Nazis…

http://harmoniaphilosophica.wordpress.com/2014/04/24/wwii-conspiracies-uk-and-nazis/

Yes, but that was because the ideology behind Nazism was common among intellectuals. Many of them agreed with much of the policies passed by Hitler. They believed in economic control by a strong central authority. Nazis just put into practice what they all believed. It’s why they stuck their fingers in their ears, closed their eyes and screamed no, no, no, when it first came out about the camps. The intellectuals didn’t want to believe it, when it could no longer be denied, they did their best to distance themselves from the Nazis. It’s why it’s not common knowledge that Nazis were just putting into practice one possible result of their Progressive beliefs.

Many of the Nazi beliefs were practiced outside of Germany long before the Nazis got all open about the stuff.

Harry was not saying he was a Nazi with that costume, Harry was being a dumb-ass kid with the costume. It does not prove your point.

Actually YOU prove my point…
By saying that all intellectuals were on the same page as Hitler.
What I am just saying is that the same logic of Nazism (take eugenics for example) are still the mainstream ideology in the world.

So, because Hitler was anti tobacco smoking and had banned it, the Nazis won?

Relating to the countries or nations there was no “we” and no “they”, as you suggest, but there were a “we” of powerless people (99%) and a “they” of powerful people (1%) who won the war, became more rich and more powerful by the war.

The people didn’t want war, the governments wanted war - sooner or later and more or less - because they had to want war at last.

Germany’s enemies did not primarily fight the Nazis, they primarily fighted Germany. And that was not merely an allied goal, but as well or probably more a nationalistic goal because fighting Germany was a chance to become rich, thus more powerful, namely to become the world power. Until 1945 Germany had been the one and only rival of the USA, in the matter of world power which the British Emipre had already lost during the World War I. Besides: the USSR at that time was de facto still a part of the Third World.

If the USA had not got e.g. the German technician and rocket engineer Wernher von Braun and his crew, there would never have been any landing on the moon (except a German one). Wernher von Braun was a Nazi - have you forgotten that? -, and after the World War II he was blackmailed: „either you help the USA or you will be put in prison“! His crew were also blackmailed. They all prefered to help the USA because they did not want to be jailed.

Other German scientists, technicians, engineers etc. were treated similarly - not only in the USA, but also e.g. in the USSR.

In the Second World War the powerful 1% fighted against the powerless 99%, and the powerfull 1% won - as always.

Globalism is nationalism in global dimensions. So on the one (quantitative) hand we currently have more nationalism, and on the other (qualitative) hand we currently have a different nationalism, namely a global one.

So in your thesis (“Why the Nazis actually won…”) is much truth, if you don’t separate globalism from nationalism / national-socialism because gloabism is nationalism / national-socialism in global dimensions.

Except not the kind of socialism like the germans had based on kinship feeling around common language and heritage values. Today’s global socialism has only one kinship feeling, the weak and the disinherited joining together. Nothing unites them but their shared sense of resentment at the “well-offs” and their victim culture.

Therefor “victimism” with its “victimology” is already in use.