Will machines completely replace all human beings?

You don’t know to unplug it if you don’t know that it is the source of the problem.

If those running your world were not certainly insane, there wouldn’t be a problem with machines. If they were sane, the limits of machine use would be kept sane. But they very notably are not.

But your normalcy bias will keep you believing that they are sane and that everything will be just fine… even though everything seems to be slowly getting worse and worse and worse with no end in sight.

And interestingly, but predictably, the word is that “It’s okay, technology will save us”.

When did I ever say everyone was sane? I just disagree that extinction by machine is inevitable.

Well, I agree that it isn’t 100% certain. The probability is just getting extremely high due to the blindness of it while propelling it further. If one isn’t aware of the cliff that they are running toward, the probability of running off of it is pretty high, especially if they can see it until they can’t stop. It is a fully loaded train going full speed down a hill toward a cliff with the engineer shouting “Full Steam Ahead!!

I mean, I’m just thinking, if you guys truly believe it’s hopeless for the species, then you must be pretty resigned about it.
There may be some real dangers ahead and underway, but I don’t see the point in acting certain about anything. I think there’s some surprise yet to be found in the human will to grow and survive and I intend to focus on these possibilities and let it color my outlook. Lacking certainty, I don’t see the point in the kind of pessimism I sense from others.

Ignore the warnings of the hurricane because it might not really happen at all. We can’t be certain.” = Normalcy Bias.

Normalcy Bias has been known about for centuries and used against the masses. It is now preprogrammed into social engineering computers. All of the Presidents speeches are prepared by others who use computers to choose what to say and how to say it.

I don’t think I’m ignoring anything. Nobody in this thread has given me much to go on about what exactly is to come.

They know when they’re being laid off and they know when they’re starving.

No one is as blind as those who don’t know that they are blind, while insisting that they see nothing.

You have to think your way out of blindness. The eyes cannot see what the the mind ignores.

…yes… when it is too late to do anything about it. You are proving the point.

Look at your posts, all this vaguery and doom prophesy and now accusation when you don’t even know me (or Gib).

James, instead of being so sure that you know everything about the person with whom you’re having a conversation, don’t. Otherwise the conversation won’t go very far. This is the problem with religious and political debates, too.

I am not talking about knowing “the real you”. I am talking about what you and Gib have said concerning yourselves. If you are lying, don’t blame me for misunderstanding the real inner you.

…and everything is vague to those who can’t yet see it… until it is too late to do anything anyway.

I wish you would do more clarifying and verifying instead of instilling and reinforcing…

I can only try, but it has to start somewhere. I am not here to force belief, but to display the possibility and let people choose to deal with it or try to fight it. If they fight legitimately, the clarity comes. If they merely try to hide the possibility of it, they merely argue endlessly accomplishing nothing (eg. Bigus)… remaining blind… and promoting their blindness.

And that is why it becomes inevitable.

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Until that time when it comes to replace all humans - and that’s what we are talking about - they will have forgotten the meaning of “being laid off” and what or who always or usually causes “starving”, so they also will have forgotten the meaning of “starving”.

Please ask for example the 20 years old humans in the slums of the big cities in North America abaout the meaning of “being laid off”. You will notice that the most of them don’t know what you are asking, what you are talking about. The meaning of “being laid off” will be completely forgotten when all humans will not be needed anymore. You may estimate how long it will take.

To make the humans believe that the meaning of “starving” is a different, probably the reverse one, is no difficult task. Please ask the humans in Africa about the causes and reasons for “starving”. You will notice that they don’t really know anything about the causes and reasons for “starving”, but a lot of “causes” and “reasons” they are told by their dictators and his propaganda media. So it is only only a question of time when the meaning of “starving” will be forgotten or projected on “‘evil’ other humans” (who are responsible e.g. for “global warming” etc., thus for “starving”). In other words: Humans will not really know who or what is really responsible for their starving, who or what has really caused their starving. So when they don’t really know that, against whom shall they rebel? I tell you: They will rebel against them who rebelled before them. And in addition: Have you ever seen humans who are rebelling while they are starving? :-k

Those who refuse even the possibility of what they do not personally see, are the ones who are unjustly self-certain, the very thing that those same people complain about concerning others. And it is entirely religious, another of their complaints.

In the end of all of the complaining about others merely being like themselves, only a few of the purely dedicated survive. And there is nothing more dedicated than a machine, a “drone” that isn’t even aware of a master or queen to question.

And note that the wealthier Jews thought the same thing about the Nazis, “Our God will protect us. They are merely getting rid of the dangerous, weak, and useless. All is well. Nothing is really changing.

“Science and technology will save us. They are merely getting rid of the dangerous, weak, and useless. All is well. Nothing is really changing.”

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What do you mean “too late”? Why is it too late after being laid off or experiencing starvation?

Yeah, it’s how the French Revolution started.

You and James are talking about something completely different from the OP. All the OP brought up was the possibility of machines completely taking over the rolls of human being–you and James are adding a huge, monolithic, gargantuan extraneous variable from out of nowhere: brainwashing! You’re supposing that this machine take over is going to follow, by necessity, a massive global brainwashing operation in which people end up not realizing they’re being laid off or that they’re out of work and that they have no clue that they’re starving or know what starvation is (and I’m not sure who’s orchestrating this brainwashing operation–a human government that plans to replace the working class with machines or the machines themselves in a post-machine-take-over world). That’s quite amazing–being brainwashed to the point of not even knowing you’re out of work and starving–and ridiculously fantastical.

But in order for me to take this seriously and grant that it might be remotely plausible, you’re going to have to detail for me a timeline of events–starting from the state of things now, how they’re going to unfold, stage by stage, into the future, explaining how the machines are gradually going to replace humans and take over their jobs, until we get to this science-fiction world of yours in which humans have forgotten what starvation is (even though their experiencing the pangs of it every day) and being out of work has become a foreign concept. Then maybe I can assess whether your argument makes sense or not.

NO. It is NOT how the French „revolution“ started.

NO. YOU are talking about something completely different fom the OP because you are always only talking about political and social issues which belong mostly to the past and to the presence, maybe even to the nearest future, but not to that future what my OP is talking about.

You are talking about „revolution“, „revolt“ „rebellion“, „out of work“, „workforce“ „working class“, „starve“. You are changing my OP in a primarily political „DP“ („Different Post“). You think of „revolution“, and „socialism“, or „communism“, and believe naively or optimistically in the competence of workers.

You don’t know whether they know or not know because the topic of this thread and the OP refer not to the presence, but to the futue: Will machines completely replace all human beings? . That’s the theme, the title, the topic of this thread and what’s the OP is all about. And the topic of this thread and the OP is no „revolutionary“ combat organ with hate campaign. No. The OP refers to the future and tries to find out whether machines will completely replace all human beings.

So you should stay on track, keep the OP in mind, remind yourself of the topic of this thread. :slight_smile: