=D> Yep. Apparently the gratitude works three ways!
Thank you, Ierrellus, I’m glad someone else “gets” it.
Ubi sunt? Turtleus’ posts of questions?
hello us dummies----I see a need for the guys that rattle the cage…I see [lev m.] and [greatest I am] as the current guys…
I would like to award them with the us dunmmmies award for outstanding posting…
us dummies------I don’t see any big cosmic plan for humans…we just are and things are changing and evolving…
Changing and evolving may just be the great cosmic plan.
I see changing and evolving as our own individual plan. It happens but by our own determination and struggle.
I guess you can see it both ways…
Cosmically speaking, I don’t think we can see it as a PLAN so much as an organized randomness. But even that is a perception - in hindsight. lol
Can you come up with a better way to express it, turtle? I failed. 
I failed also arc…
That it can be seen both ways does not indicate that one way contradicts the other way.
I agree …I think it is both ways
That which does not contradict may complement. I’m searching for complementations, for things that come together as One.
please tell me more about your search…
The wisdom of the world is that all things are only individual, particular, personal. Along the path of dearth a seeker may find manna from heaven in reconciliations of love. Love reunites and includes. It is all there is worth seeking because it unites being and belonging. It sanctifies becoming. The three Bs of Dasein are being, becoming and belonging. Love enhances, and makes possible, all three.
where are all the dummies…
Where are the questions that would cause us dummies to opine?
ok----this dummy thinks that death and loneliness are the two biggies…and religion tries hard to deal with
these existential problems…
Does religion help or hinder?
turtle
ok----this dummy thinks that death and loneliness are the two biggies…and religion tries hard to deal with
these existential problems…
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Does religion help or hinder?
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turtle
I think it can help and hinder…the worst part of it …we tear each other to pieces arguing about different beliefs…it helps some people and hurts others…what do you think