Will machines completely replace all human beings?

  I think the era will be another dark age, like a big sleep. We would  not loose the sense of what it means to be human, because technology will retain that in a programmed memory.  I think the ability to access it would falter, but institutions dedicated to suspending it and reviving it would be delegated to a few keepers. My guess is, as far as human bodies is concerned, there may be options of multiplicity of forms to carry on. Cyborgs will only be afforded to those with enough wealth to purchase them, on promise of eternal life, however upon deaths of planets, these immortals will run out of steam due to increasing singling and diminishing of such creatures.  Ultimately, the richest, wisest, and bravest man in the world will be truly eternal,and he may view himself as god, but sustain a pathos of eternal loneliness, hence privy to create another world. The socialist system will not afford such luxury, so capitalism seems to correspond best to such a scenario of survival of the fittest.  Once he creates a world, and develop other lesser gods, this realm will again falter in a twilight of betrayal and confusion. Far fetched?  We are half way there.

Both capitalistic system and socialistic system are not able to afford what is needed for them. The capitalistic systsem has always to fear the socialistic system, and the socialistic system can not exist without the capitalistic system. It’s Hegel’s “Dialektik”. So this is merely possible with a “Synthesis” of both capitalism as “Thesis” and socialism as “Antithesis”. There is no other solution in order to “manage” that - as long as history lasts (cp. my thread: Thinking about the END OF HISTORY).

Therefore the entropy will stop at Kant’s synthetic-apriori , right? Otherwise, how can a politically motivated synthesis be achieved unless internally motivated, or else it will be incorporated into an ineffective policy.

The seeming failure of Obamacare is a good example, though the word is still out on that.

The synthesis is alraedy achieved, at least partly.

That’s more or less a national problem, the problem we are talking about and confronted with is a global one, although Obama is very much involved.

And then:

Nope.

So what?

Mechanization:
The techniques/technologies uprooting the cthonic spirit, detaching it from the ground, causing a split between the noumenon and the phenomenon.
This detachment is called “freedom”, liberating the individual from its nature, its past, so as to allow him to become anything he wishes, within the premises permitted and considered useful, by what offers this technique/technology.

This detachment also cause a schizophrenic identity, where gene and meme conflict, given the Nihilistic nature of the provider of this technique/technology.
Logos becomes self-referential - solipsistic.
Art imitates art.
The artifices (technologies) usurp the natural, the past, the independent from human logos.

Identity is built upon immediate utility: the individual becomes a part of the machinery, finding in this role its self.
The machines simply accentuate and enhance this role. they make it more productive, harmonious with the others (compatible) - integration.

Ritual, behavioral rules, establish the limits of what produces parity.

The individual is separated from his kind, its nature, individuated, making him harmless, and more easily integrated into the machinery.
His individuality is symbolic because as soon as he is detached from his nature he grasps upon the first identifier presented to him, to root himself in the present, the modern.
He is a number, a name, with no reference outside the human artifices he is integrated within.

Specialization is his only avenue towards distinction, within the context of utility (production/consumption).
As a specialist he focuses an average intellect upon a discipline - dedicating himself completely - birth of the social idiot savant or the institutionalized autistic.
He require a average intellect because the precedent, the supporting structures, the data accessibility, the established methodologies, do not require innovation or creativity, only adherence and discipline (dedication).
He can now find self as a functional part of the machinery, proud only of his productivity and his access to consuming goods; ambition in ascending up the mechanical rungs to a higher place, one where he is less expendable.

Mechanization:
The techniques/technologies uprooting the cthonic spirit, detaching it from the ground, causing a split between the noumenon and the phenomenon.
This detachment is called “freedom”, liberating the individual from its nature, its past, so as to allow him to become anything he wishes, within the premises permitted and considered useful, by what offers this technique/technology.

This detachment also cause a schizophrenic identity, where gene and meme conflict, given the Nihilistic nature of the provider of this technique/technology.
Logos becomes self-referential - solipsistic.
Art imitates art.
The artifices (technologies) usurp the natural, the past, the independent from human logos.

Identity is built upon immediate utility: the individual becomes a part of the machinery, finding in this role its self.
The machines simply accentuate and enhance this role. they make it more productive, harmonious with the others (compatible) - integration.

Ritual, behavioral rules, establish the limits of what produces parity.

The individual is separated from his kind, its nature, individuated, making him harmless, and more easily integrated into the machinery.
His individuality is symbolic because as soon as he is detached from his nature he grasps upon the first identifier presented to him, to root himself in the present, the modern.
He is a number, a name, with no reference outside the human artifices he is integrated within.

Specialization is his only avenue towards distinction, within the context of utility (production/consumption).
As a specialist he focuses an average intellect upon a discipline - dedicating himself completely - birth of the social idiot savant or the institutionalized autistic.
He require a average intellect because the precedent, the supporting structures, the data accessibility, the established methodologies, do not require innovation or creativity, only adherence and discipline (dedication).
He can now find self as a functional part of the machinery, proud only of his productivity and his access to consuming goods; ambition in ascending up the mechanical rungs to a higher place, one where he is less expendable.

A major part of the reasoning behind your replacement on Earth is the “wisdom” that consciousness is more important than body.

If any of you were asked of whether you would have your body replaced while maintaining your consciousness intact or you would rather have your entire consciousness replaced while maintaining your body intact, you would choose the former.

The problem is that such is a trick question, beyond the wisdom of those who ask it as well as those who answer it.

Throughout history, people have always accepted that the governance of their people (whichever type of governance that might be) is important enough to go to war to protect and live and die to protect. Each individual dies out while serving the social structure. And that social structure represents that society’s “wisdom”, its consciousness.

So even today, because people are still insane, the global society is to be protected at all cost. And that means that replacing all humans, modifying them, or simply getting rid of humans is all acceptable because the “wisdom” of the structure will be maintained. And nothing is more important than such a grand consciousness… so they believe.

You are going to be replaced by non-human elements for the sake of maintaining a super-god consciousness. It is already happening without hardly any resistance.

The reason that it is a trick question can easily be seen;

  1. Maintain your wisdom?
  2. Maintain your body/health?
  3. Other

Almost all manipulative trick questions can be spotted when they don’t provide that third option which is always present.

And if you chose “body”, I would ask, “Of what good is a body void of any wisdom?” You would be merely an animated robot.

But then again, if you chose “wisdom”, I would ask, “Of what good is wisdom, if there is no body?” What good does it do to know something if you can’t do anything about it?

Having only one or the other exclusively, is pointless. So one must presume that there must be at least a small bit of the other maintained. And the common thought is that as long as the consciousness is maintained, it is okay to have less of a body. But wouldn’t that depend upon the wisdom to decide? What if the wisdom was that without a very significant body, there is no point in having wisdom? How would you even know? And that gets to my third option.

How do you know that the wisdom or consciousness that you currently have is the one that you wish to maintain? How does a society decide that the structure it has is the one to be maintained? If the body of people are being constantly replaced with others so as to support the same structure, no matter how silly the structure was, it will be maintained until defeated by something bigger than itself - war (of one type or another).

What if the best wisdom to maintain is the wisdom of maintaining the body that maintains such a wisdom of maintaining that same body - a self-supporting wisdom? In order to accomplish the goal of maintaining that exact same body, not only would the governance have to focus on exacting health issues, but it would also inherently have to be able to learn any other wisdoms involved in keeping its people alive rather than the simple-mindedness of merely replacing them.

In that way, the wisdom that is maintained is the wisdom that grows and also more greatly ensures that those living stay living. The body grows healthier as well as the wisdom, but only if the initial wisdom was one of protecting the body as it is, rather than replacing it.

Unfortunately, as you might be able to tell, such a thought is a bit too complicated to make clear in a time when political leaders have already chosen a new world in which political leaders dictate all life mostly through keeping people distracted and confused. As they have stated, “We WILL be gods… period.

It is only because of blind God-wannabes that all of homosapian was lost.
Stop wanting to be a Goddictator and start wanting to be wisely maintaining your existing body.

  • the wisdom that never got heard in time. But the androids will figure it out.

Actually, I would not mind being cryoed for awhile just out of curiosity to see what happens to me and the world. My body sucks so hey I would go for a new one to play with. I would prefer to be cryoed for 500 years. I love adventure.

I hope we’ll at least ask ourselves the question of whether machines can be more than p-zombies before we decide to become them. Otherwise it would be a kind of suicide. 8-[

We will not decide to become machines, merely some of us, if they really can. In this case or other similar political decisions we should not use pronouns, not speak of “us”, not say “we” because not we, but merely few powerful people decide, if they really can.

You could always volunteer for the Guinea pig programs.

What exactly makes you think that asking would make any difference. Obama signed the executive order that allows any experimentation on the population as long as it is justified by “National Security” (which of course is anything and everything).

Any experimentation on the population! That’s unsurpassable dictatorship!

Any experimentation on the population! That’s unsurpassable dictatorship![/quote

No it just appears that way. He is only a figurehad.

it’s always been the military-industrial complex. They have the big guns: the super duper computers. The fact is, society is almost at the lowest ebb of integrating both concepts: democracy and capital. The ultimate failure is when democracy as a social system cannot support it’s self, through free enterprise. We are, and it is a gut level feeling, at a very critical point in the history of social economics, the last Great Recession was just symptomatic, like they say, of overall weakness. The trick is, One is led to believe, you can’t have one without the other, and they may be right.

Arniminus, lol you bastarrrdo. U machine hatah
Why you hatin son you machine hatin on a machinelol
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Lol
Nope!

Well he has done truly unbelievable things that no one in their right mind would stand for. He even tried to illegally move nuclear weapons into central USA (apparently in preparation for another false flag attempt. Muslims aren’t very good at such guile). When the military commanders in charge of such things simply said, “no”, they were fired. But the list of atrocities he has participated in is endless.

James, please link to that exec order so I can show it to people.

You all jump in like rats down a drain-pipe!
Here one barely believable rumour that the hated black-at-the-top has done and you are all over him like a rash.