Thinking about the END OF HISTORY.

That argument reminds me of the old satanic method of the circle of fire.

Imagine that you were in a castle with a mote. When the barbarians stormed the castle, you pored oil in the mote and lit it on fire. The though was to encircle your domain with a destructive (and obfuscating) force. Such things have worked before.

But if I were the adversary storming your castle, I would merely laugh. I would pore even more oil into that mote along with trees and anything else that would burn. I would keep that fire burning so long that either you would smoother in the smoke and heat or simply starve. I have the entire world of fuel. I could even make money from the spectacle of it and become quite wealthy.

The presumption of the circle of fire was that the one inside the circle would have control of it, a “controlled fire”. But entropy is far easier than control. If you are going to attempt the satanic circle of fire method, don’t play it with the entire world. The universe can provide far more fire than you can deal with. Judea was supposed to learn that over 2500 years ago, but they seem far too slow at learning.

But since that strategy has been played and the universe is merely laughing at the spectacle, it would seem wise to focus on quite the opposite intelligence, freezing a snowball amidst fires of Hell - “what are the chances”. And the claim is as it has always been, “We Shall be GODS!!”, so okay, what’s the issue? Surely a god would have no problem providing air-conditioning and joyous life within such a castle - eternally.

My position is that once you see how to freeze the fire (which I discovered back in the 70’s, turning chaos into order automatically), you just go ahead and do it. But you don’t keep making more fire at the same time as trying to freeze it. Nor do you freeze the entire planet. You prevent the entire scenario by demonstrating the the use of fire is pointless in the first place. You freeze the very incentive the barbarians had in attacking you. Both extremes are non-sense, yet they are the very fundamental thoughts feeding the lust of Man to be God - “Order vs Chaos”, “Vishnu vs Shiva”.

Heaven is not the city surrounded by Gehenna. Heaven has air-conditioning. :sunglasses:

There is an „instinctive knowledge“, an „intuitively grounded intelligence“, there are „products of common sense, but there is fear too, and fear is used or misused in order to convert traditionally real evaluations into virtually unreal evaluations. The business with fear is a lucrative business, but not the only one.

HOw is the observing of those hungry to rule working for you?

You might mean to say that “unawareness” is dangerous. What you described isn’t intelligence.
And with reference to the poor maligned cow, I hope that the next time you are about to drink a glass of milk it becomes sour the moment you are drinking it…you ungrateful wretch you. :mrgreen:

Im observing how to rule.

HOw’s that working for you? What practical consequences has this led to that separate you out from those cows? Or if it is ‘not yet’ then when do you see the practical benefits of this kicking in? At what age will you be?

And perhaps more germanely to those wishing to rule: is “studying how to rule” what rulers do?

They would have to have at some point in their life.

James, the following video fits to your video that you have recently posted.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rDXBpQ8Dlug[/youtube]

Nuclear bombs are also a possibility, although perhaps not a sufficient one, to end the history.

Probably to some extent. LIke all the military dictator types, probably consciouslyl and unconsciouly modeled superior officers and other alpha males.

I have to say, what you probably already realize, was that his statements seemed to imply some kind of future Power play, or perhaps even his already advancing in the World gaining of Power. Now it is ad hom, though relevent, given his ‘they are all cows’ assertion, to wonder if anyone would, by any scientific method or sociological analysis, be able to find qualities, in terms of Power, that separate him out from even middle management in a Corporation. I can see feeling like one understands more than the average Joe, including the average middle management executive, but mere understanding didn’t quite fit the smugness inherent in Calling people cows. Perhaps one of the cows hates being milked and having her Babies taken away Young, etc. But she probably just looks like all the other cows in the field and has to deal with the same Power imbalances in her society as all the other cows do.

In a way, big deal.

More to the point, it might be a case of WHO those wishing to rule study? A fair benign ruler would study a great humane ruler from the past - a ruler who wanted to rule only for power and greed would study - who? Ghengis Khan, Hannibal? I don’t really know the kind of rulers they were. Charlemagne might be someone to study. Alexander the Great perhaps if one wanted to be a despot.

As Nietzsche’s Zarathustra said, “the knowledge will bring you to power”(Herrschaft), of course, there is an order of rank in intelligence:

  1. Wisdom
  2. Reason
  3. Slyness
  4. Stupidity

unfortunately the modern Europeans are too reasonable.

Historyboy

Wouldn’t you put self-awareness and consciousness of self first?
Knowledge of what? What you will do with that power? What your intention is in attaining it?

I don’t know. Perhaps making the floors around slippery without noticing it.

And since the post- Nietzschians tend to accept mainstream science and rule out other methodologies, it gets very hard for them to distinguish some types of stupidity from wisdom. They do hate the reasonists, sometimes for good reasons (lol), but there they are, calling for something transcending reason, without any clear criteria, and then looking down on others who have different epistemological methodologies than scientific empiricism.

Well I’d say Nietzsche has been an immense influence on me, and I accept a good deal of scientific methodology when it comes to knowledge and understanding the world, and maybe I’m crazy or brainwashed for thinking this, but I actually think science is a good tool for distinguishing between stupidity and reason. I’ve explained my reasoning before, will do it again if requested. Convince me otherwise?

I think anyone can confuse stupidity and wisdom at times, but those who are most frequently confused and who identify as proponents of scientism may not actually understand the scientific method and are just dropping sciency terms around for fad, 'cause it seems intellectual and unchallengeable.

This seems counter to scientific methodology I’m aware of on all three accounts. This is why I always separate people who support & agree with science in some vague way with what the scientific method actually is.

Yes, I call the former science groupies.

I definitely meant wisdom and thought it as I wrote that post. don’t know why reason came out.

The scientific method relies not only on reason but human creativity and human sensation/perception.

If that’s true it is highly ironic to me, as Nieztsche never strikes me as much of a scientist and the scientific method does not look down on anything but bad experimental design and assumption.