I am seeing a lot of TRASH and TROLLS out there …I love philosophy but that stuff is trash…us dummies need to do better…
turtle
I don’t recognize an after-life hell, either - only a during-life one. We normally cause our own perdition and if someone brings us to it, best for us to get away from that person.
arc----how agnostic are you about afterlife heaven…
turtle
If I don’t recognize an after-life hell, I certainlydon’t recognize an after-life heaven either. They both reside here within the brain. That’s all that I intuit.
Were I not agnostic, I still wouldn’t recognize a personal god. That Something, that Energy, would go far beyond in beauty than any judaic christian god every could - somehow for me…
very well put arc…for me also
If we become extinct then life is completely valueless, as there would be no one to judge. A thing that does not exist cannot be precious.
what do you all think about this belief system
I’m with Arc about the nonexistence of a literal afterlife hell. Hell is here and now. My ex, now deceased, used to say hell is what’s on Earth for people of another planet. I wouldn’t go that far. I recognize that we are all born under a death sentence. Our pitiful lives deserve neither an afterlife heaven or hell. And, what if this life is all we have? I’d rather believe in universal salvation, that nothing living can be lost or forever estranged from the God of whom we are a part. Yes, I’m pantheistic.
Perhaps valueless to us - but to what remains still useful.
A thing that does not exist has no consciusness nor can there be an experience.
turtle
Turtle, for me, that’s not a belief system - it’s half knowledge half intuition. 
interesting…not a belief system…
turtle
So, what’s the point you’re trying to make here?
I believe what you believe…my beliefs are a belief system…yours are not a belief system 
turtle,
But I don’t believe turtle. I’m kind of a skeptic. I need proof.
I haven’t taken that final step…i’m pretty much away from the edge of that leap.
I contemplate, wonder, sensate and experience and it’s meaningful and valuable to me. That experience of qualia takes place within my mind and in my being but it isn’t necessarily the bottom line…more like the first lines of the book. I don’t call what i experience to be proven fact or knowledge…maybe must the entertaining of possibilities.
Is that belief?
you got me…I am a dummy…i like what you are saying…
Sure, you’re a dummy - like a fox, turtle.
dummies-----------please look at… the post-----[I believe in god]…
it may turn out to be a very good discussion…please join in
it may be talking about life and the universe and what it is all about…
without all the distorted god stuff…throw out all the bad theology
Am on there. It seems to be another horse race between ideas and ideals.
you could look at that way but it doesn’t have to be…
us dummies-----------where is everybody