Nice commentary. But I didn’t say I want it to happen, it’s what I think WILL happen. I don’t believe in any concept of utopia, only better and worse.
Tyler Durden: fuse:I think the future will bring even tighter integration between our carnal selves and technology. I think the natural progression is to continue to better enhance our organic constitutions with increasingly wearable and insertable tech. Gone will be the days when we had to carry all our tech in our hands, e.g. smart phones, tablets, computers and “human interface devices.” We will do less interfacing with our tech as it becomes increasingly part of us and synced with our neural impulses rather than a separate machine operated by motor control. Until we get there, though, all this “XBOX On!” voice control business is just an awkward gimmicky phase.
We will continue to create more efficient machines that take over jobs formerly held by people. But ultimately, technology today prevails only as far as it can be successfully operated or programmed by a user. Even the best AI is nowhere near as adaptable, autonomous, or as structurally and behaviorally sophisticated as a human being. Not even close. It’s a pretty big deal to be alive, to harness energy and exhibit metabolism, to grow, reproduce, sense and adapt to the environment – as coded for in self-replicating genetic material. No known tech ever created can be said to be alive or really even close to it. So until that reality starts to look more possible, I don’t see machines completely replacing people.
Uh- oh…
We have a technological utopian on our hands here. They’re always envisioning the future to be like some sort of Star Trek paradise when in all reality it will be something akin to the Borg or Terminators. The technological cornucopians as I like to call them.
On the bright side global peak oil and energy will completely destroy modern industrial technological society where I view that as a great thing.
Think of it as the wheels spinning off of the machine that is technological industrial society.
Hopefully that really starts to kick in before this technological nightmarish new world order thing prevails. Time will tell.
My only regret is that I won’t live long enough to see it happen. I give it two hundred and seventy five years.
That of course assumes we don’t destroy ourselves and the world first… Party on. ( Like it’s 1999)
Nice commentary. But I didn’t say I want it to happen, it’s what I think WILL happen. I don’t believe in any concept of utopia, only better and worse.
They’re working on sophisticated A.I. systems as we speak. They already have machines that can make more copies of themselves without human intervention.
Nice rosy glasses you have there that puts a positive spin on everything where there isn’t a cause to worry about anything.
Where can I get some of those? Maybe it’s not the glasses at all. Maybe it’s something else…
What’s your secret? Is it a drug? Where can I get some?
At a certain point, however, the new technologies are not merely replacing bodies, but minds, and that is where technology is a long term threat to employment.
I don’t think this change is in the next decade on a large scale but fairly soon we will reach a stage not too far ahead where machines can replace human minds on a wide range of tasks. And that is a radical shift.
Also the levels of unemployment are misleading. Today humans are doing more and more mindless, shit work, often several jobs with little security and benefits and the middle class has been shrinking. Machines are cutting into the quality of work and the compensation for work.
It’s not the only factor. The corporatization of the planet is having enormous effects and here’s the thing, corporatization and robotization/AI replacement of humans fit together perfectly. Robots and AI do not have unions or rights or morals. Board of Director dreams.
Robots and AI also fit wonderfully with the military, which is expanding - as is the prison/parole/probation system in similar ways with a similar machinelike tenor - so Eisenhower’s warning is only more appropriate with the introduction of robot/AIs.
The robot AI prison is no doubt in the preproduction stages somewhere.
Nice rosy glasses you have there that puts a positive spin on everything where this is a cause to worry about anything.
Well I came a long way since that first post. That was just my initial thought on the OP. I do think there is cause to worry. Agreed.
At a certain point, however, the new technologies are not merely replacing bodies, but minds, and that is where technology is a long term threat to employment.
I don’t think this change is in the next decade on a large scale but fairly soon we will reach a stage not too far ahead where machines can replace human minds on a wide range of tasks. And that is a radical shift.Also the levels of unemployment are misleading. Today humans are doing more and more mindless, shit work, often several jobs with little security and benefits and the middle class has been shrinking. Machines are cutting into the quality of work and the compensation for work.
It’s not the only factor. The corporatization of the planet is having enormous effects and here’s the thing, corporatization and robotization/AI replacement of humans fit together perfectly. Robots and AI do not have unions or rights or morals. Board of Director dreams.
Robots and AI also fit wonderfully with the military, which is expanding - as is the prison/parole/probation system in similar ways with a similar machinelike tenor - so Eisenhower’s warning is only more appropriate with the introduction of robot/AIs.
Come on Moreno. Everybody knows the New World Order is great. Big brother is wonderful not to mention charming. Don’t you see what the state has in store for everyone concerning the future?
Isn’t this what the people who blindly worshiped government and authority for several generations always wanted?
Hasn’t this always been their dream and grand vision?
Well now, they’ve got their wish finally.
As the old saying goes, be very careful for what you wish for.
Nice rosy glasses you have there that puts a positive spin on everything where this is a cause to worry about anything.
Well I came a long way since that first post. That was just my initial thought on the OP. I do think there is cause to worry. Agreed.
Re-read the edit. Nice try.
At a certain point, however, the new technologies are not merely replacing bodies, but minds, and that is where technology is a long term threat to employment.
There are many jobs where people want specifically to interact with a human being, not something that is like a human being: customer service, care services, I’m sure there are many more. There is a comfortableness and bias at work that may be healthy. Why would this preference for human employment in those positions go away? When there are robots indistinguishable from human beings? I don’t think we are anywhere near close to that point and I invite examples that oppose my belief if there are any.
fuse:Nice rosy glasses you have there that puts a positive spin on everything where this is a cause to worry about anything.
Well I came a long way since that first post. That was just my initial thought on the OP. I do think there is cause to worry. Agreed.
Re-read the edit. Nice try.
What specifically should I pay attention to in the edit and what was I trying to do?
Moreno:At a certain point, however, the new technologies are not merely replacing bodies, but minds, and that is where technology is a long term threat to employment.
There are many jobs where people want specifically to interact with a human being, not something that is like a human being: customer service, care services, I’m sure there are many more. There is a comfortableness and bias at work that may be healthy. Why would this preference for human employment in those positions go away? When there are robots indistinguishable from human beings? I don’t think we are anywhere near close to that point and I invite examples that oppose my belief if there are any.
Are you familiar with Japanese robotic love dolls? Cosmetics are advancing concerning robots.
“Hi, my name is Tina. I’ll be your robotic waitress today.”
“Hi, my name is medical unit 335. I’ll be performing your surgery today.”
Doubt all you want. It’s coming if they have their way about it.
Fuse:
What specifically should I pay attention to in the edit and what was I trying to do?
The isn’t part. You know what you were trying to do. Let’s not play coy.
Anywho…
Link about that medical robot that has conversation with the patient about performing a surgery?
About the other stuff, I don’t doubt it. But is it more of a fad? Are people globably okay with robots taking over the majority of those positons?
Not playing coy, call me out on what you think I’m doing.
Link about that medical robot that has conversation with the patient about performing a surgery?
About the other stuff, I don’t doubt it. But is it more of a fad? Are people globably okay with robots taking over the majority of those positons?
Not playing coy, call me out on what you think I’m doing.
Robotic surgery, computer-assisted surgery, and robotically-assisted surgery are terms for technological developments that use robotic systems to aid in surgical procedures. Robotically-assisted surgery was developed to overcome the limitations of minimally-invasive surgery and to enhance the capabilities of surgeons performing open surgery.
In the case of robotically-assisted minimally-invasive surgery, instead of directly moving the instruments, the surgeon uses one of five methods to control the instruments; either a direct telemanipulator or through computer control. A telemanipulator is a remote manipulator that allows the surgeon to perform the normal movements associated with the surgery whilst the robotic arms carry out those movements using end-effectors and manipulators to perform the actual surgery on the patient. In computer-controlled systems the surgeon uses a computer to control the robotic arms and its end-effectors, though these systems can also still use telemanipulators for their input. One advantage of using the computerised method is that the surgeon does not have to be present, but can be anywhere in the world, leading to the possibility for remote surgery.
In the case of enhanced open surgery, autonomous instruments (in familiar configurations) replace traditional steel tools, performing certain actions (such as rib spreading) with much smoother, feedback-controlled motions than could be achieved by a human hand. The main object of such smart instruments is to reduce or eliminate the tissue trauma traditionally associated with open surgery without requiring more than a few minutes’ training on the part of surgeons. This approach seeks to improve open surgeries, particularly cardio-thoracic, that have so far not benefited from minimally-invasive techniques.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robotic_surgery
About the other stuff, I don’t doubt it. But is it more of a fad? Are people globably okay with robots taking over the majority of those positons?
The rest of the world?
When has those in power care about the wants, desires, and whims of the rest of the population?
Not playing coy, call me out on what you think I’m doing.
I’ll reduce it to a simple misunderstanding for now.
Fuse:
What specifically should I pay attention to in the edit and what was I trying to do?The isn’t part. You know what you were trying to do. Let’s not play coy.
Okay, I re-read it again, and I don’t understand.
It seems you interpreted me as playing down any cause to worry. I actually really am legitimately concerned about the future of technology. I have mixed feeling about our advancements, utilization, and control of technology especially where governments and large corporations are in the picture.
But the robotic surgeons don’t take over the role of a full doctor, do they?
Do they actually greet the patient and the patient never talks with a human doctor?
Tyler Durden:Fuse:
What specifically should I pay attention to in the edit and what was I trying to do?The isn’t part. You know what you were trying to do. Let’s not play coy.
Okay, I re-read it again, and I don’t understand.
It seems you interpreted me as playing down any cause to worry. I actually really am legitimately concerned about the future of technology. I have mixed feeling about our advancements, utilization, and control of technology especially where governments and large corporations are in the picture.
A misunderstanding then. No worries.
But the robotic surgeons don’t take over the role of a full doctor, do they?
Do they actually greet the patient and the patient never talks with a human doctor?
Not yet…
Key word.
When has those in power care about the wants, desires, and whims of the rest of the population?
When the majority of the population is against their plans and they feel their power is threatened.
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fuse:But the robotic surgeons don’t take over the role of a full doctor, do they?
Do they actually greet the patient and the patient never talks with a human doctor?Not yet…
Key word.
Okay, so I just think it is reasonable to believe that people are biased toward their fellow human beings for certain positions and that people will continue to have this bias.
Tyler Durden:When has those in power care about the wants, desires, and whims of the rest of the population?
When the majority of the population is against their plans and they feel their power is threatened.
Kill off 95% of the global population through a eugenics and Malthusian style ideology. Problem solved.
Easy to implement also especially if you control 75% of the global economic wealth.