But I don’t believe turtle. I’m kind of a skeptic. I need proof.
I haven’t taken that final step…i’m pretty much away from the edge of that leap.
I contemplate, wonder, sensate and experience and it’s meaningful and valuable to me. That experience of qualia takes place within my mind and in my being but it isn’t necessarily the bottom line…more like the first lines of the book. I don’t call what i experience to be proven fact or knowledge…maybe must the entertaining of possibilities.
dummies-----------please look at… the post-----[I believe in god]…
it may turn out to be a very good discussion…please join in
it may be talking about life and the universe and what it is all about…
without all the distorted god stuff…throw out all the bad theology
Not IF - WHEN ~ which means that in the HERE AND NOW, we choose or not to see life as precious and valuable.
I also know that at some point I will be no more. So for now, any discussion of a so-called after life, since we cannot know, is just a moot point.
All we have is the present moment.
we all are in hell on earth…the real problem is inaction…if you are being tortured it is better to try to escape than hope for a better life after death…
No one is asking that you stop talking about delusion, etc. It does affect some of us here at ILP–to see our hopes summarily dismissed. I know you mean well, but ILP is not as impersonal as you might believe. I listen to you.
I am not trying to hurt anyone on purpose…I see very serious problems coming from the church doctrine…and my beliefs are very strong…I listen to others and what they believe…I must say what I believe…I am not a hateful person but I believe in solving big problems…
the usa is going down and the church is not effective…too many people are leaving it up to god…but we are the ones that need to solve the hell on earth…if we are being told everything will be all right if we just believe and have faith and hope…then we are in trouble…we need action…and that is lacking…