Media

They likely thought they were facts, but they were manipulated by corporations and governments, and individuals as much as reporters are today. The difference between then and now is 1) journalists have less time and funding to research things, fewer companies own the mainstream media then they did back then, new is seen as entertainment primarily.

In the EU it is the same!

The biggest difference that I can give credit to is that the Media was eventually united (1981) into a single organizational mindset with censorship guiding it (as was required by the government during the 70’s so as to allow it to be considered as the “Fourth Branch of the Government” - Propaganda Ministry) with an agenda (what you know as Agenda 21 from the UN). Because as the socialist political leaders of the world openly proclaimed, “Because this is the future that WE want” (Ref: Agenda 21 Rio +20).

You are right it is not trivial.
SAM is a good proposal. I work for a company that is slightly like that. You work for the whole, the owners will pay you well and help when you need it. They see the company as a family of sorts.
I see the goal but, not a clear path. I do know it must be grassroots method.

Well as I said the entire way it works is detailed and complicated to explain, but how this relates to the Media is that a part of the SAM structure requires what amounts to a insider’s newspaper for the group. The newspaper (or LAN Network) basically spreads the gossip that would be typical of a church or small town anyway, except its business is to know everyone’s situation and needs. So it takes a little different mindset, a far more open, intimate, and honest mindset, because everything is “above board”. Unlike society, 2/3 of the activities are NOT under see-level. Deception becomes very difficult to get away with or be rewarded by.

And then imagine that the “owner” (although SAM has no owners) runs the corporation strictly in accord to the needs of the employees/members. Such is the way of a not-for-profit organization, or a church (501C, I believe they call it). Everything done; assigning work, schedules, pay rates, everything involved, is organized around the needs of everyone. Of course how to assess those needs gets into some complication and is actually based upon the “Integral of Joy Over Time”, IOJOT. It takes a bit of a wizard to learn how to do that, but after some practice, isn’t really all that hard.

And would you mind if I take this over to the In Sight of SAM thread for the rest (having less to do with the Media)?

Please do, it is an interesting project.

Kris, of course both sides are guilty. I just figured that since the most current, and the most robust attempt to make elections something that can be bought and sold were the citizens united and the mccutcheon cases that it’d be relevant to point those out. At the current point in time, it’s the right that’s leading the charge on weakening the process for everyone. No one on the left is in favor of those decisions.

The “Left” merely represents the more cowardly lot, always afraid to take the blame for anything. But they very much favor anything that leads toward absolute control for a governing elite over the masses (as long as they are a big part of it).

James I’m not picking a side. I’m just stating that the most relevant and current development in the world of media manipulation for the purposes of skewing democracy was advocated by the right in the supreme court, this year over these 2 cases. It’s odd to have a thread about it which denies this reality.

What is “odd” about it is that the media portion of it has been going on since the 1960’s and you are just now claiming that suddenly the “Far Right” is initiating it. If anything, the Far Right is perhaps the side with the courage to more openly admit it.

It was a significant part of the “liberal” movement hell bound to convert the USA into a socialist state from a constitutional state. That is why they were referring to the liberals as “pinkos” (associated with Red Communism).

They learned that they have to have “two hands” in order to manipulate better (“what is the sound of one hand clapping?”). Their “two hands” are the conservatives and liberals, or Republicans and Democrats. Neither does anything without being coordinated with the other.

The Libertarians are actually the only constitutional conservatives interested in maintaining the original USA constitutional government and its “democratic-republic” state. But as they asked, “If a tree falls in the forest when no one is watching/listening, does it make a sound?” Or more “down to Earth”, “If the media doesn’t tell anyone that the Constitutional government has been destroyed, will anyone complain/revolt?

The biggest concern of the Media is to keep the population preoccupied with pretentious battles and distractions while the laws are being manipulated in closed quarters, “under see-level”. That is what the Roman Coliseum and its Gladiators were for.

James I didn’t say they initiated it. I said that the citizen’s united, and mccutcheon decisions happened this year and are huge milestones in the overall history of this notion that we’re discussing about money buying media and tricking people into voting against their own interests because of lies they’re told. The right wing advocated, and celebrated these decisions. Those are just facts man. So since we both agree that the concept of diluting democracy through psychologically manipulative advertising is bad, isn’t it important to note that the latest and possibly the biggest legal win for those who think otherwise happened this year in those 2 cases?

Find the place where I said that liberals weren’t as bad or whatever it is you’re saying I’m saying. Because I don’t think I said em. I haven’t advocated for a liberal or progressive policy in this thread.

I mean when I see a thread about media manipulation and politics and I read it and no one’s mentioned those cases I’m like wtf is going on here? I honestly have no idea of what your politics are. So I can’t argue against them. I’m just asking, since you seem to know all about the history of these kinds of things, why don’t you think that these 2 cases will result in things getting skewed worse than ever? And why don’t you see who’s responsible for them?

Isn’t it obvious that the only issue was your inference that it is “those bad, evil Far Rights” causing this demise of Constitutionalism?

Other than that, yeah we agree.

The people of the media - the “mediots” (from: die “Medioten” - Udo Lindenberg) - should be punished for their sins.

What’s not to like about centralized government controlled and influenced propaganda news media?

The super-organisms, especially the huge banks and the huge corporations, are the real governments; so they also control every other politics and - of course - the media. In other words: the modern media is a huge propaganda machine of some super-organisms (which are owned by merely a few men).

You can only control yourself, therefore the only counter tool is to be conscious of their manipulation to avoid being manipulated. As for others, well you cannot control them, so at best you can attempt to influence them into becoming aware of the manipulation (i.e. counter-influencing).

This situation isn’t a matter of common sense, the methods being used are not widely known or understood by the average person… then again, the “average” person is not all that functionally intelligent.

I would not use the word intelligent, educated is more apropriate. Not many teach children to question or strive to learn. Most rely on education systems to educate fully. Parents seem to just teach social behaviors now.

Hmmm :-k

Yes actual thinking would work but, we would have to get parents to teach that.

Growing up, I hardly ever attended school, starting around 2nd grade. I eventually just stopped going at all, to start the 10th grade. I’m intelligent, but possess very little formal education. I know things because I pay attention to my surroundings, no one taught me this behavior… it’s innate, due to my genetic potential for intelligence. I work with and have known a lot of highly educated people, most are totally ignorant to the world around them. Knowing things (i.e. education) doesn’t necessarily make you intelligent and being intelligent doesn’t necessarily mean you know things… intelligence is your problem-solving and critical thinking ability, not how much knowledge you possess… a LOT of people lack in the PS and CT area.