GOD=NATURE

Excuse me, but that’s too general! :slight_smile:

Well, you can’t expect to skip to the last chapter of a book and have it explained it in coherent detail. You need to first get the concept of the RM method, then get the physics down, then the psychology, the sociology, then the economics, “IJOT_DJ”. The way the new economy works is explained in terms of the psychology and sociology, which are explained in terms of the physics which is explained in terms of Definitional Logic as required by RM. Everything I do is connected.

Sounds a bit utopian given the materialistic world we have inherited. See Thomas More’s “Utopia”,
wherein gold is used to line toilets, having little other practical use.

back to GOD=NATURE…I WAS TALKING WITH A VERY RELIGIOUS MAN IN THE CHURCH THAT I GO TO…he stated that the more he understands about NATURE the stronger is his belief in GOD…

I’d guess that most church goers see God as personal and partial; whereas Nature is not. How can you change that?

my church needs to have a science study group…

Thanks for your advise but my friend, i do that a lot before making such kind of conclusive statements, for more than you are assuming. I always try to test those from as far angles as possible. And, your rebuttal is the first one among those.

Supernatural simply means that is totally beyond nature, not merely our scientific understanding.

The aging and death of humans, animals and even plants with time can also be attributed to some force beyond scientific understanding or the laws of nature.
Should we call this phenomena also a supernatural?

Think again.

with love,
sanjay

How would science address the human need for the personal?

my church needs to have a science study group…
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How would science address the human need for the personal?
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it would not address the human need for the personal…it all depends on how much people want to delude themselves…
also if you study human nature you would find that we need each other in a bad way…right now we are killing each other…

How would science address the human need for the personal?
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it would not address the human need for the personal…it all depends on how much people want to delude themselves…
also if you study human nature you would find that we need each other in a bad way…right now we are killing each other…
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Perhaps it is by being impersonal that we can excuse killing each other. It has to come home some time.

Without being personal one cannot exhibit compassion and empathy. The Golden Rule starts with the self. Personal is the root of morality. Jet fighter pilots can drop bombs, using computer game like consoles. They see targets, not people. The abstraction (impersonal) makes killing feasible. One cannot be rid of the human need for the personal without dire consequences.

of course but where does your god come in here

Why would I want an impersonal God? One who would not ask me to be personal with others? God is evident and personal in how we treat others.

you don’t want an impersonal god…what does your personal god do for you…

Asks only that I treat others as I would like to be treated, which is personal.

maybe you have a more personal relationship with god…do you ask god for help…

To ask God for help as a believer is redundant, but all too human. God helps. Otherwise, given my life history, I could have ended up as a bitter old man.

in what way does god help you now…

In the help of family and friends during and after my operation. In allowing me some mental stability with meds and counseling.

doesn’t all that have to do with other humans helping you…how about your direct relationship with god