So, turtle, in response to Ierrellus’ Are not wonder and awe at Nature some sort of answer? It just may not be answer enough.
You wrote:
So, not to assume, the point you’re trying to make is that you do experience awe and wonder - in other words, you do respond at your core. Is that true?
It just occurred to me and I may be wrong but maybe the sign of a real atheist would be one who doesn’t attack God. How can we attack what doesn’t exist for us? lol
No, god is the exact opposite of nature.
Nature does not change.
Yet god can and does change everything.
God manipulates the universe, bending everything to his divine willpower.
it seems like nature is changing all the time…nature follows certain rules that seem to stay the same…
what I am saying is that nature is god…we don’t know for sure but in order to survive we better understand nature much better…
Nature works fine without inserting God into the equation.
Nature = Nature
God = God
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the one Supreme Being, the creator and ruler of the universe.
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the Supreme Being considered with reference to a particular attribute:
the God of Islam.
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Christian Science. the Supreme Being, understood as Life, Truth, Love, Mind, Soul, Spirit, Principle.
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You seem to be defining God against the norm there, friend.
Are you unsatisfied with the above definitions?
You’re speaking like a Pantheist.
Are you one?
As a determinist, I’ve been inclined towards it myself, but the terminology is misleading. So I don’t describe myself so.
God is unchangeable and immutable. God changes nothing. If he is omnipotent, omniscient, and omnipresent, then he is not limited by wants need or desires, thus has no need to make any changes. If he were to change something, that would imply that he got it wrong in the first place.
So what you say is a complete contradiction.
You can’t know this. If there IS a god, and we are in some strange way, made in this god’s image and likeness, though I doubt it, then god is changeable and not immutable…since we are. Anyway, we can have no idea of what is god’s nature - nature from the human standpoint.
Have you ever made a change from simple self-awareness, Lev - there being no urgency about it or need? You just decided to do things differently. We have the ability to do this but we can’t attribute that to a god?
HE? Always the HE - go fig
What that just might tell me is that you have the need to think of god as being set in stone. You and are a process, just as the Earth and the Universe are, but still, you disallow your god from also being a process? Does that make you insecure? lol
Isn’t there a passage in the bible - I am what I am …becoming…