Why NATO? Economically the US and the EU are deadly enemies!

K: gladly, I am 55. I am old enough to remember having drills in class, where we practice hiding
under the desk in case of a nukes from the mean old soviet union. Yep, our desk would save us from
a nuclear holocaust.

Kropotkin

Maybe not, but a military 'enemy' is not the same thing as an economic 'enemy', and to call two groups 'deadly enemies' is hyperbolic when talking about the latter sense.  
 In the sense in which NATO matters, the US and EU aren't enemies.  In the sense in which they are economic 'enemies', there's nothing 'deadly' about it to provoke the comparison.

It would be like asking if New York or Massachusetts should seceed from the union because the Yankees and the Red Sox are 'deadly enemies'.

No, that’s wrong, and you know that it is wrong!

B.t.w.: What would you think, if your “friend” is vitsiting and at the same time robbing you?

Arminius, before there was trade between adjacent villages, there were only skirmishes over differences of unfairness. now the village has gone global, and the most that such unfairness can garner, is some protectionist tax. Before international trade agreements, countries would go to war with each other. Some examples are the Opium Wars of the British Empire with China, the rubner wars of the USA and Vietnam, the oil wars with the Middle East, and the list goes on. NATO is important, even if there is in some persons opinion, no relationship between economics and international security. however, what makes anyone think, that if trade agreements are broken, economic pressures do not force governments to engage in saber rattling rhetoric or action? now, more then ever, with the attempted equalization of the global economy, the world needs teeth to sink into the petty thefts of countries accused of misappropriation, especially theft of foreign aid, consumer product espionage, of illicit printing of forged currency, not to speak of international narcotic trade, human investiture and trafficking of young girls , pirating on the high seas? downing of airlines to serve political ends, and the button still on the nuclear option,as a way of swinging big time threats to unbelievers? is not Nato if nothing else, a big stick of which Theodore Roosevelt spoke as a requirement for governance of imperium? And the US is an imperium, needing allies to control the world , absent of which, the vacum it would leave behind, would for sure ascertain a real catastrophe of no presdedent? There is, clearly, more to the idea, that whereas they are different, economics and defense are primordially related.

Maybe I don’t have all the facts- if you think the relationship between the US and the EU is comparable to robbery, tell me how.

[size=150]Yes, you don’t have all the facts. After bombing Europe (especially Germany and robbing it, cp. the robbed millions of patents, masterpieces, knowledge, scientists and technicians [by blackmailing them], and - amongst much others - territories [cp. the forced displacement of about 20,000,000 Germans] and the whole gold of the German Reich) you have been bombing it with immigrants because (you know) that it will weaken it sooner or later. Why should we again defence the USA by sacrificing all European people?[/size]

[size=150]The reasons why there is still no peace treaty to end the Second World War have also to do with those historical facts I described above. And why and for whom is it advantageous (cui bono?) that enemies of the Second World War which has not ended (because there is no peace treaty) became suddenly and remain partners, although one of this partners (Germany) always has to pay reparations, redemptions, reinstatement etc.? And since about thh 1960’s this partner has been sacrificing its people again, this time by abortion and enslaving to make a way for immigrants from countries which are bombed by the USA and Israel.

I like the US people of all time - but not the US politics since 1913![/size]

The European Union and central bank is the United States bitch.

NATO is the United States lapdog.

This reminds me of a term of the German investigative journalist Peter Scholl-Latour (1924-2014) :

“Tony Blair als »Pudel Amerikas«” - Peter Scholl-Latour, “Deutschland muß atomar aufrüsten!”, in: Cicero, 2007.
Translation:
“Tony Blair as »America’s poodle«” - Peter Scholl-Latour, “Germany must arm atomically!”, in: Cicero, 2007.

Furthermore there is a Trojan horse (Turkey) in the NATO, and 2004 the EU got a [i]Trojan donkey /i of the USA.


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So, you agree then Arminius with my statement?

Approximately, Laughing Man.

You said that the “European Union and central bank is the United States bitch”, and Nietzsche said that the state is the coldest of all cold monsters. (“Staat heisst das kälteste aller kalten Ungeheuer.” - Friedrich Wilhelm Nietzsche, “Also sprach Zarathustra”, 1883, S. 57). Can monsters have bitches?

The Fed is even one of the main monsters, a private one and very schizophrenic. :wink:

You said that the “NATO is the United States lapdog” and I add: this lapdog is a very aggressive one and very schizophrenic. :wink:

After World War II they were already talking about devising the European Union in 1949.

As usual most people ignore or are too ignorant of the real players in control of things.

The European central bank just like the Japanese one takes its orders from the United States Federal Reserve.

This makes sense Arminius, so do You not see , eventually, post Angela Merkel, an opportunist will see a hole here, and once the EU is in the position to help Germany’s rearmament, to strike out a political stance entirely dialectically opposite from the previous econo-political co operation. But instead of getting rid of NATO at that point, a ce session from NATO a would be more likely,mal though there may occur between then and now a breakdown in relationships with allies of Germany, leading to a planned breakdown do to a miscalculation of sorts.
England too, may break off after rethinking it’s schizophrenic position between the EUROPEAN and the US. I am not saying this will happen, only that it might. But then EU has to increase it’s military budget to the extent that it can finance a major war with Tussia who just may get ideas of reasserting it’s power over the Baltics and other assets in Europe. This is why,mperhapsmtook up the reins of leadership, like a smart ex KGB guy, and I think You and Laughing Man are on to something,nor which everyone is holding their breaths. How a desperate US may react if such a scenario would play out, is another question mark, it may just receede to a Wilsonian type of neutrality, and adopt a do it yourself attitude. This Is where the antichrist will show it’s face, and let it all hang out. However the likelihood of all this going down in this particular way is not overly convincing. I don’t know.

If Germany leaves the European Union the Euro is toast.

There are rumors that Germany might pivot east with a Russian German alliance of some sort.

Russian natural gas and oil meets German industrialism or manufacturing capabilities.

If the European Union broke a part I’m sure Russia would be a key player involved in that.

The only problem with that scenario is the United State’s sole middle eastern ally who it is rumored to have nukes within European continental reach.

I second that.

World is too complex now for having single dimensional agreements. Different countries use to have different relations on different issues. They do not necessarily agree or disagree on all issues.

Secondly, the rivalry between US and EU is more in the mind of the people rather than those who have a actual say on the issues. People’s opinion does not matter much on that level.

with love,
sanjay

Where does that problem play into this scenario? Bombing Germany? As a payback? But would not a cesessed Germany factor this in? And how about the political muscle of the Greens? This smells of reticence .

The United State’s economy has been in the shitter since 2007.

Everybody around the world can’t dump the petrodollar fast enough.

The United States Dollar is heavily tied to the Euro and the Japanese Yen.

If anything happens to either currency it will have a negative impact on the United States Dollar and economy.

The United States is a desperate and dying empire. It will do anything to preserve itself where all cards are on the table.

The sole middle eastern ally I was talking about is Israel.

A part of their exposed military contingencies is to nuke the European continental mainland.

In the American Israeli partnership it is unclear who controls who in that relationship…