I never saw you as a stalker. You want a good example of a stalker. Try the one that rides my ass.
⌠What?
Lev Muishkin. He follows most of my posts with ad homs. I donât see Arc as doing anything like this.
I have absolutely no idea what you are talking about, arminius. You will have to copy and paste said ânonsenseâ over to me. Then, I will read it and decide as to whether or not I can see it and then others can do the same thing. Even so, I am not a stalker but you petty man like to take unfair advantage of a situation. We all need to grow a little humility in our gardens and yes, I do realize that I also have to but I see that you also need to and Wells as well.
Do you want to know what your above statement just reminded me of â what came to me ~~ I just saw all of the people in the village coming forth ~~ the herd ~~ and lying about those defenseless human beings being charged with witchcraft.
Why, because they thought that they could, because they didnât understand their own minds and because they were in the grip of a virus or one might say a growing cancer - bias.
Again, show me where I stalked you. You really need to pay close attention to the definition of stalker and stalking.
Here is one:
stalk2/stĂ´k/
verb
1.pursue or approach stealthily.
2.stride somewhere in a proud, stiff, or angry manner.
One might consider that that is what you did to me when you accused me of stalking, when you called me a liar, and when you said that I was not a consciousness seeker.
Hereâs another definition;
I never did that - not to you nor Wells nor anyone in here. But I might add that both of you did that to me - calling me a stalker is harrassing in an aggressive manner and calling me a stalker can easily be thought of as threatening since it is threatening to my personhood, my character. And that is the reason that I opened this thread.
So I will wait for that evidence.
fuse,
That was also how I felt in the beginning, fuse, and I even went on to explain myself, my personality a bit to Wells so he could make the distinction. I have no idea what Magsj deleted or didnât delete but if I can, I will find that passage and place it in here. And, I was going to leave it alone. As I said somewhere above, I told him that I would not respond to any of his posts as clearly he seemed fearful and also delusional. And that is where it was left - until arminius then called me a stalker and accused me of lying.
But I will admit to responding to Lev in regard to Wells with the word ad hom a few times and a few more things. But that is just because Wells continued on and on to accuse Lev of ad homs each and every thing that Lev said. At some point, Wells utters an ad hom towards Lev which clearly was an ad hom.
Iâm not trying to make light of your situation, Ierrellus. I do see him at work with you but I donât think those are actual ad homs either. I think he actually likes and respects youâŚthough it may be difficult to see.
Thank you, Ierrellus.
Ecmandu, you have it backwards. It was me who thought that he might perhaps be my Australian friend who was once here and then he claimed that he wasnât. Perhaps at that point, I might have left it alone, but I am a curious creature but I still would not have called it STALKING and I donât see myself as really having stepped into his boundaries (as Magsj suggested).
But if I had known his demeanor and personality, this wouldnât be happening right now. But I did explain myself to him.
At some point then, he called me a stalker. He might have chosen a more wise word for what was happening but he chose that one - me point accused me of being a stalker. Why he was so fearful I donât know but i have my own ideas. And there is also a method to our madnessâŚand itâs the subtle subversive nuances and hidden intentions that I so despite.
ecmandu,
If you are referring to this thread, ecmandu, I do not consider this to be a debate at all.
As to the rest, I am a little confused as to your meaning here. Also, I am not stalking in this thread. I am RESPONDING to things which were said AGAINST me by Wells and Arminius. That is NOT stalking, ecmandu. I am really trying to get at the truth of it. So yes I am taking a poll of sorts. What was it that Jung said ~~ that the truth needs the concert of many voices. Of course, Iâm not sure he was thinking of the "herdâ when he wrote those words.
[b]âLost rights are never regained by appeals to the conscience of the usurpers,
but by relentless struggle⌠Goats are used for sacrificial offerings and not lions.â
â B.R. Ambedkar, Writings And Speeches
âAlways in your stomach and in your skin there was a sort of protest, a feeling that you had been cheated of something you had aright to.â
â George Orwell [/b]
What this is is my struggle to be heard, to voice my response to their accusations. I am no scapegoat and I am not one to turn the other cheek.
All off-topic posts⌠you took the thread off-topic, so I put it back on-topic - it would have been best to message him rather than take the thread off-topic, but you donât seem to want to acknowledge that Arc. Am I just repeating myself here 
ââ i have laughed in bitterness and agony of heart, at the contrast between what i seem and what i am.ââ
Nathanial Hawthorne, Scarlet Letter
Mithus
As I said before, I was letting it go until Arminius stepped in. I am still going to wait for where I insulted him. Perhaps within the same mind that is not able to conjure up a different word than stalking to express oneâs self, that same mind does not have ability to discern the difference between an insult and some other thing - which thing I will wait on Arminius to supply. If I see it as an insult, I will concede to it. If I donât I will explain what I meant by it.
My avatars are how I am flowing in the moment. Do you wish an apology for them?
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Thatâs funny. Itâs true that avatars speak to me in the same way that poetry or metaphor does. But I do see the difference between the man and the avatar. Let me ask you a question, Mithus, if you see me as following young men all over the place here, then who are you following and why would you maintain something like that in your mind. Is it important to you?
Now that is flawed thinking. I am not a stalker and because those two perceived it in that way, doesnât make it reality.
For whatever reason they do perceive it that way, the fact is that they are not thinking clearly and they are simply seeing what they want to see. Whatâs the saying - we see what we believe!
Then you are not seeing so clearly. I have been treated - I wonât say much worse - because to me I will not mitigate any verbal abuse - but I have have been mistreated and abused with words in here. The difference to me is not so much because I am a woman - and Iâm sorry, Iâm glad to be a woman. Must I hide that fact in here? Anyway, the difference to me is that the men who treat me and all others in here well is because they are for the most part normal (insomuch as any of us can be thought of as normal) intelligent and rational and caring men.
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Iâm still waiting on the evidence.
That is not what I am doing in here but I donât know how to prove otherwise. But that was strangely funny to me ~~ that I am gathering all the men around me. lol I actually am laughing out loud. Obviously, these men can hear the magic flute that was fashioned by the hands of a Siren. lol Just be thankful, Mithus, that you are immune to its sounds.
On the contrary, my behavior is not childish. But one might call it calculating in the sense that it is intended to have a particular effect â that of shedding more light on this situation and of those two finally adding up 2 and 2 and getting four instead of getting -0.
lol The length of my OP is perhaps as a result of my never having learned quite how to summarize. I like to be sure everything is put in. As far as the tone of my language goes, can you please define what you mean by that ~~ unless by that you sense some anger and emotion. You certainly have that right and you have no idea how I am restraining myself in here. (I mean in this thread) How would you feel if someone accused you of something which you knew not to be true - something which really went against the grain. Perhaps that something wouldnât be stalking but give it another name - something from your life which you know might help you to understand how I feel? Maybe Iâm wrong - maybe there is nothing but then again, maybe there IS something.
Arminius,
No, it is neither a problem descending or arising. It is a problem still flowing. And do you want to know why, Arminius? Because the fact of the matter is simply that you and Wells do not see any problem in both of you having called me a stalker. Neither of you apparently are capable of putting yourselves into my shoes to understand how I felt when you, following Wellsâ lead, called me a stalker and called me a liar and until you can see another side - not just your side - that problem will probably continue to flow on until at some point I just detach from it.
Itâs an almost empty problem because your mind refuses to see otherwise.
Well, what you can ALSO do, besides intelligently seeing another perspective - is to copy and paste these so-called insults that I supposedly swung at you so I can read them. You said you kept them so I want to see them.
Put your money where your mouth is, Arminius, and not just your pompousness.
Arminius,
In Can Someone Interpret my Dream on February 28th this is also what you wrote to meâŚ
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So, you do see that you at least implied that I was not a consciousness seekerâŚand then you proceeded in a pompous tone. That in itself did not so much bother me. Big deal. You said that you didnât say that. I may not be that squared away insofar as ad homs are, but that would ALSO certainly appear to be one.
Iâm still waiting for all of those texts that you said you have to show how insulting I am to you.
Arcturus, I like you, but about a month ago⌠Arminius said he didnât think you were the Australian, do Iâm deducing from that, that this isnât as one sided as you make it. I remember you told him to stop harassing you, and he kept saying that he knew who you were under another handle, but then he admitted it wasnât you, and here we are a month later, so I no longer think the issue is his anymore. But I like that youâre calling for quotes.
Arcturus
Iâm not saying that you are stalking. But you wanted to have this sorted out on a public forum and I felt free to write down how I perceive you. And I had this impression that you follow some people, because you immediately showed up as well as soon as they were posting somewhere. Itâs none of my business, apparently it didnât bother them, just my impression.
I think with that thread you make mountains out of molehills. Now everybody has to ask himself. âIs Arcturus Descending a stalker?â. I would have cleared that in PMs or actually I would have ignored it, unless you are desperate to be in the center of attraction, regardless of the subject. When Wells and Arminius were actually asking you to leave them alone, why didnât you do it?
And for that âmen gathering around youâ for your defense. Yes, thatâs also my impression that you are now victimizing yourself. you just now expressed that with âthe herd coming forth, lying about those defenseless human beingsâŚâ.- a bit pathetic, isnât it?
(But your statement that they are here for the most part normal and rationalâŚhmmâŚcould be something to argue about⌠
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Ecmandu, I am NOT Australian - I am from the states. It was my friend who used to be here who is Australian. I donât even recall Arminius harassing me a month ago or telling him to stop harrassing me. This insult, calling me a stalker and lying is recent and the reason for this thread. The way in which you think kind of fascinates me. You seem to think backwards.
It was someone⌠my memory isnât great. Someone kept calling you the australian, and you kept saying that this wasnât you. And they kept pressing it, and you told them to leave you alone, and then they finally declared that you werenât the australian, as bad as my memory is, I remember that was an exchange with you.
Oh thatâs right, it was you who kept calling whomever the australian, and they kept telling you to leave them alone, and then you said you didnât think they were anymore⌠I got it backwards.
Mithus
Yes, and that is fine and I responded to what you said. But letâs not forget that your initial line was this:
I donât understand why you make such a fuss about that.
Would you or would you not say perhaps, only perhaps, that that kind of shows you coming in here with less than an open mind? I might be wrong in my assertion but stillâŚyou implied that there might be no reason for me to make a fuss out of being called a stalker. As I also put it to Atheris (I think) consider an example from your life which might have you responding in the same way. It is just a question of the straw which broke the proverbial camelâs back.
Ah yes - impressions. 
I probably DO do that and why - because this IS a philosophy forum and as such, isnât this what we do - show up and respond to a post. I probably do follow as you say some people more than others and before I tell you why, I want you to consider why that might be. Think about it and if you want, you can get back to me.
Aside from that, Iâll tell you something. I once had the impression when I was in here one day, I got the image of vultures. This is what I imaged and thought - that we are vultures in here, flying down to this or that post which we see as striking our fancy, especially with new comers. Nothing wrong with that though - to me, itâs both social and academic (in the education sense) but I actually laughed out loud.
As I have said, I had planned to ignore it. I was simply going to ignore Wells too but then when Arminius did the same thing, well, I suppose I just had reached my threshold for detaching from it. And you may not see it this way, but something like that is/can be like a virus, or like a cancer, which can grow out of proportion. Arminius was just the âtipping pointâ. And many minds are impressionable, no matter how intelligent or how brilliant some are in here. A high I.Q is not necessarily a high E.Q. Even though I do not see myself as a particular Self, I am capable of changing always, nevertheless I felt attacked, and being that I have a âtailâ of sorts, lol, I am going to fight back. I have a voice also, which for quite some time, was not utilized because of my upbringing. But I am now an adult and a woman and when some people call me a stalker - such a blatantly slanderous word - I am going to rise up and roar.
On the contrary, I am not playing the victim. If that were the case, I wouldnât have come in here at all. I would just be doing what I did in the past when i was an adolescent - running into a closet and hiding out, figurately speaking that is. It might appear that I am being the victim to you but youâre seeing with different eyes than I am.
That term, herd, really had nothing to do with what is going on in here, obviously not, as there are some who asserted that they do not see me as a stalker. That just came to mind because of my Jung quote.
I donât quite catch your meaning here. You would have to elaborate but there are males and females here who are like that - for the most part, normal and rational and really nice. I like them and I respect them. Again, for the most part because as human beings, we canât always be expected to be that way, since we did start out with tails.
As a matter of fact, at some point, but this was even before this nonsense began, long before it, and of my asking Wells about it, I did actually try to PM him to see if he was âmy friendâ - said friend not being here for quite some time now. But I did PM him but his PM was disabled so I forgot about it for awhile and then asked him in the forum. I suppose that curiosity actually does kill the cat, doesnât it.