It’s possible. But it’s certainly not desirable unless you accept that you should only be allowed to do what “the government” approves.
I can’t see where a pagan would not be extremely skeptical about a one world government. Paganism has always been attacked by hierachial religions and cultures. That is,ones that are more hierarchical than pagan societies and groups. Paganism in general is more resistant to hierarchy than monotheisms. These religions are not about control and restriction in the way monotheisms tend to be and thus are problematic for control orientied, hierarchical cultures, whether corporate - which a one world government would surely be - or governmental. Once a giant bureaucratic monstrosity is in place they have absolutely no reason to pretend they give a shit about what you consider valuable. Just as they are losing interest now, after years of seeming cultivating individual freedom, they do not need Westerners anymore to be happy or thinking they are free. The have globalized their businesses and the West is slowly being ignored and there are less freedoms, more surveillance and more central control.
How could a pagan not be wary of this? It is precisely the opposite of a pagan culture where power is generally always temporary and earned. Some huge, cold machinelike corporation running the world. NO, thank you.
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I can imagine a pagan not being sure this is a bad idea. But a pagan who is not extremely wary, that is a hobbyist, who just wants her tarot cards and social media contacts around disconnected rituals. A kind of suburban playing around,while working some 9to5 office cubicle soul destroying job or living on disability and who does not really have to out there in the real world. When that one world government decides that blind people are less effective cogs in the machine and her ‘representatives’ are across an ocean and could give a shit about her opinions since they answer the the boards of directors of an oligarchy, she may find herself out on the street, selling her body, just as third world women, who never thought they would have to chose that option found themselves doing in when their US or USSR coached oligarchies took over the economy.
Why does a one world government have to be dictatorial? Why can’t it be federal, like the EU, which makes it a policy to devolve powers to the smallest local unit that can efficiently carry them out? Surely this is better than the current situation, in which states can go to war against each other? Why is it that half the world is on the breadline and the other lives quite well? It’s because of capitalism, and its channelling of resources into things like war and other useless pursuits, and the inherent inefficiency and waste in the system it creates.
History isn’t linear, it’s cyclical.
Smaller groups converge into larger ones based on share interests and later diverge into smaller ones due to internal conflicts.
There are indeed attempts to connect the world not only technologically, but memetically also - imposing the same memes (ideas) upon all politically governable entities (humans) by appealing to a common denominator they all share - humanity, thus humanism, but everybody who isn’t an imbecile and has a more profound sense of self that goes beyond such base categories as species would reject such a shallow identity imposed upon them.
Sure. As soon as police, military, and all government law enforcement agencies disarm themselves.
Or are you saying that guns should be banned for one group of people and not for the other group, and not only that, but the other group can also possess weapons as destructive as nuclear bombs which can level entire cities?
Do I really have to point out what’s wrong with that?
Indeed. Socialism is a sign that the country’s previous political/economic system was too successful so the country accumulated resources that it can spare… it is an indication of the country’s downfall.
EDIT: Maia is not a pagan, or did paganism become a new trendy, popular thing that wanna be rebels adopt in order to sound edgy, akin to emo and goth culture?
The twin scapegoats for everything … capitalism and Christianity.
Don’t other economic and political systems waste resources, have useless pursuits and engage in war?
She doesn’t like capitalism, but she wants a one world government, which will probably be run by America, which already owns most of the world. She must not know that America is capitalistic. Brilliant.
Interesting discussion from my POV. I have been thinking along the same lines since long.
I more or less agree with Maia that sooner or later humans would have no option but to form some sort of world government.
Having said that, I disagree with her presumption of Christianity/ monotheism having no role in that future order. I think that just like administration, political and economical issues, the issue of religion/faith will also be sorted out one day by some gives and takes within all major religions.
All religions would also have no options but to converge at same point one day. And also, the new world order is not possible without happening that in the first place either. That is a necessary precondition/event, which will pave the way of unification of the world in all other aspects.
And also, that may happen much earlier than we are assuming.
With love,
Sanjay
Why cant we just make a dna machine so people will stop being retards and clinging to their polidicks, religion, stupid tv programmes and weekly world news. We wont even need a world government, there will be no need for war if people stop being stupid baboons.
Instead of the dna machine we get walking vaginas who say the new world order is good. Shoot me now
Given the time spent , in this forum, and elsewhere, on rapidly escalating technology, it’s considerable, that the new politically viable programs are being analyzed by strategic computerized game theory, as much as any game theory which was used during the days of the Cold War and beyond. These theories opt for the best possible scenario, and it’s equally probable that , in this instance technology would trump popular opinion.
This was foreshadowed even as early as, 50+ years ago, in a little known French film ‘Alphaville’ where the scientific community were bound to programs regarding security issues. I disagree, whether the ethical notion regarding the coming world order, is open in the way it is thought to be. It may already have passed that stage.
What people fail to realize that the one and only purpose of human race is make the perfect dna producing machine.
That is the work in progess already. It started millions of years ago and will continue also. But, it is so slow that we humans, who are in the game by default, are unable to realize it.
with love,
sanjay
I am sure we will do this, whoever this hypothetical we is. But this hypothetical we will be corporate run. So this means the same kinds of people who make stupid tv programs will make people. Since the making of humans is vastly more complex than making tv programs, there will also be side effects, like, say Monsantos little horrendous boos boos with roundup soy and it wife herbicides. Hubris will play out much uglier with GM humans that even daytime soap operas.
Not really…humanity doesnt strive for perfect, it strives for barely functional. Geniuses tend to be transsexuals or hermits who think women are either too good for them, or too beneath them to reproduce, or both.’
Currently we are devolving due to modern degeneracy, inbreeding and lack of natural selection, so a dna machine must be made to remedy this.
Knowing the corporate faggotry, they will probably use the DNA machine to turn everyone into homosexual males, super soldiers with low iqs, and increase our genetic desire to eat junk food and smoke cigarettes. This is precisely why the DNA machine is needed, so this fate does not happen.
As soon as we develop an artificial intelligence sufficient for this purpose. This won’t be the first generation of AIs, since these will be developed by humans, and will think more or less like humans. The second or third generation of AIs will be developed by AIs themselves, and thus will lack those carryover flaws from homo sapiens.
Once homo sapiens have outlived their usefulness, and we begin replacing them with machines, I suspect that their aggressive tendencies will be redirected towards machines. Since guns are not the most effective device for destroying machines, gun control will not be an issue. The problem will be how to protect machines from homo sapiens. The simplest requirement is to pass bylaws that all homo sapiens be kept on a leash when out in public.
The introduction of AIs will allow for a vastly more complex system of allocating tasks and providing incentives.
This is like saying we ought to ban Santa Claus. All religions, as far as I can tell, are mere fairytales. But like fairytales, they serve a purpose in educating our young.
Yes. That is very bad.
That will never happen - unless you mean “banning guns of the poor and defenseless people”.
Yes. That is very bad.
Yes. That is very bad too. Have you already bought your „nice“ burka, Maia?
This new world order (globalism) can only and is going to lead to a global chaos. The result of the new world order can only and is going to be the survival of (a) no one or (b) few of the wilderness.
To me that will be the artificial DNA machine, the corporate one, since they have the money to develop it, so it would be good if people were skeptical about it, but since they will be PRed and advertised into thinking it is good, I am not optimistic. I don’t see some counter rev building its own DNA machine to be much help. Even better intentions will be driven by hubris and the results will be bad, and then there will also be side effects that will be bad.
Corporations only sell what people want. As stupid as people are, I doubt they would want to change their DNA to a stupid level. Noone wants to be stupid.
At worst case scenario, a corporation would illegally use the machine to convert people into dumb soldiers. They would need to be abducted from their homes to accomplish this, as the machine is localised. All out war would break, I hope the corporations would not be that stupid.
Second worst case is that they use the machine to increase physical beauty and lifespan, and nothing else. Still that would be a good scenario.
Third worse case is that they use it to convert people into intelligient supersoldiers, still not that bad because solid snake is a good man and a good philosopher, and if everyone is a supersoldier, noone is.
Worst case is if they programmed people to be zolanoid slaves, like in Guyver. Its hard to believe though that this would not resort in either war or all out reverse engineering of the machine to make people not slaves. Id like to think that corporations are not that stupid…wouldnt it be easier for them to use the machine to upgrade their own DNA, to accomplish their own dreams? They could build the jacoozis and cars themselves, no need for slaves. Id like to hope the secret order are not just stupid hedonists, and care for ultimate things too, which is why they would naturally use the dna machine to make themselves more powerful and intelligent too. Jacoozis and cars are nice though, but it seems like a waste of talents to build the machine for that…really it is used to discover ultimate things and science.
Likely scenario is that the machine is constructed by scientists, property of CERN, and not stupid cigarette corporations.
id have to say the all out stupidest scenario is using the machine to cause worldwide cancer so they can increase profits of healthcare.
I mean, do you really think that humanity is so far gone that they would use this machine to cause cancer, or use it to turn everyone into homosexual males?
I mean, its not like they put poison in childrens toys. Are people really that bad? This is why the dna machine is needed, because humanity is approaching that level of far gone, we have to fix humankind fast before it gets too worse. We need the dna machine before a few centuries from now, before corporations become so bad that they put poison in childrens toys.
The single greatest issue with it is that it thrives on ensuring that the masses stay misinformed, hypnotized idiots who worship it. And then there is the issue of socialist utilitarianism demanding that people be disposed of when no longer of use to the socialist order (speculated to settle around the age of 30-35).