Why did we stop inventing gods?

Indeed.

So do most Christians, it seems, because most of them think that the moral sense, logic and reason that come from the tree of knowledge of good and evil was a sin to partake of. Original Sin.

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I cannot blame you.

Both those religions grew by the sword and not by good deeds or a compelling theology.

The Mystery schools though were doing quite well as free thinking institutions before Christianity gained political power and killed them off.

If one wants a moral theology to follow and recognizes that Christianity won the god wars, they would have to look to those who lost the war because they were likely more moral than the winner, Christianity.

So far my studies of Gnostic Christianity has proven that the best theology was theirs and that is why free thinking was outlawed by Christianity.

Christians burned most of the Gnostic Christian scriptures, but luckily some were buried and that better theology is emerging and we are as in Christianity’s face now just as we were in the past. If they could kill us all off again, they would.

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Indeed, but with knowledge of nothing, which is what A & E had (basically), there can be no meaningful fife.

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DL

You put forth Joyce Meyer as being representative of Christianity.

The statistics of religion in the USA shows that she is in a clear minority.
The Pew survey of 2014, shows that 70% of the USA population identifies as Christian. Breaking that down, it shows that 24.5% is Evangelical Protestant and only 4.9% is Non-denominational Evangelical (which is how Joyce Meyer identifies herself).
pewforum.org/religious-landscape-study/

How many Christians does Joyce Meyer speak for? Who knows exactly. It’s certainly not a majority of religious people.

You should look up some statistics related to Christian beliefs about same-sex marriage or abortion or ordination of female priest, etc.
It would no doubt astonish you. :smiley:

It might.

I see the comments of both Martin Luther and Meyers as saying to basically believe in fantasy and faith more than logic and reason, and since something like 70% of all Christians believing in hell and close to 100% of Christians believing in a salvific Christ, I would say that they are, in that sense, representing what the vast majority of Christians have done. Ignored logic and reason for faith.

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DL

Wow. Almost all Christians believe that Jesus Christ is the way to salvation. That’s incredible. :laughing:

In the USA, 3% of atheists believe in hell, 9% of agnostics, 32% of Buddhists and 22% of Jews.

pewresearch.org/fact-tank/20 … -and-hell/

What? :astonished:

Have you not read the apostle creed that all Christians are to uphold?

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And you chastised me for changing topic. Oh well.

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DL

You have absolutely no sense of humor. :smiley:

You have absolutely no sense of humor. :smiley:
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I admit to not using my rather good sense of humor much in these places and missing the nuances of those who do in these forums, — because I have a hard time finding it in written words. Possibly because I am serious in discussions.

I do wish I had the gift more then I could follow this good advice.

Ridicule is the only weapon which can be used against unintelligible propositions. – Thomas Jefferson

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DL

Greatest I am,

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_Gnosticism

Had to google it. Had no idea what a gnostic christian was but after reading, I don’t see any similarities between them and myself.
At one time I was a practicing catholic but no more. I’m agnostic, don’t believe that Christ, if he ever existed, was the Messiah.
I think I’m more of a pagan if anything.

How can you possibly "see’ me as a gnostic christian or a gnostic?

So, you can now take the “good for you” away. :evilfun:

There is no point in looking up “Christian Gnosticism” because he does not believe what the Gnostics believed. He doesn’t even believe in a God of some sort - demiurge, or supreme being or something else.

He’s an atheist who is playing a game.

Well, I like games and I’m closer to being an atheist certainly than a christian.

That’s great but the point was about honesty.

Well, your many gods view is expressed by this Gnostic Christian saying and we also see Jesus as an archetypal good man that may never have existed.

Gnostic Christian Jesus said, “If those who attract you say, ‘See, the Kingdom is in the sky,’ then the birds of the sky will precede you.
If they say to you, ‘It is under the earth,’ then the fish of the sea will precede you.
Rather, the Kingdom of God is inside of you, and it is outside of you.
[Those who] become acquainted with [themselves] will find it; [and when you] become acquainted with yourselves, [you will understand that] it is you who are the sons of the living Father.
But if you will not know yourselves, you dwell in poverty and it is you who are that poverty.”

I read you as mentally rich.

Apologies if that insults you.

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DL

Hogwash.

We believe in the only god we can ever know. Ourselves.

Let me explain using Christian and Jewish myths.

This Gnostic Christian’s apology for calling myself God.

Adam and Eve became as Gods when they gained a moral sense and no longer had their mind cut off from intelligent thought. As our primordial ancestors, we inherit that same trait even though Christianity wrongly thinks that to be evil and a fall. Retaining dominion over the earth, humans never revoked this inherited trait of a moral sense, — and the right for man to judge himself. Jesus highlights this when he took the seat of judgement at God’s right hand.

When I use terms like “I am God”, or “you are God”, I am not speaking of the traditional miracle working God of scriptures and myths. He does not exist as far as we can know as he has never made an appearance to prove his reality.

What I am trying to convey to you by saying that you are a God in your own right is to be master of yourself and you need not be a sheep. You can, as Jesus says, pick up your burdens and responsibilities for your sins and follow his mind set. Be a shepherd. Lead by example.

What I am trying to convey is that the only God you can ever know is the good you find within yourself. It’s your ideal of God and of the Jesus or Christ mind. That is quite different from me or someone thinking they are the traditional creator God, or thinking that they are more than anyone else. Both Jesus and the Christ in these myths are for equality. Not the misogyny that we presently enjoy. That is another topic though. We are to be co-equal with Jesus.

Romans 8:29 For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.

Jesus would explain this concept as one just seeing that they have joined God’s Divine Council by embracing his own Christ mind. Or better said, as this is the more eastern Jesus, we activate our pineal gland and open our third eye.

Matthew 6:22 The light of the body is the eye: if therefore thine eye be single, thy whole body shall be full of light.

John 14:23 Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him.

Luke 17:21 Neither shall they say, Lo here! or, lo there! for, behold, the kingdom of God is within you.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Divine_Council

youtube.com/watch?v=alRNbes … r_embedded

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DL

You don’t need to say more. Case closed.

Show anything that shows that mankind is not the supreme example of what people should be following.

Logic and reason say it is but if you have lost those to supernatural beliefs and fantasy, then I pity you.

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DL


Nuclear bombs.