The future of our Sun, its planets, and our Milky Way.

Or isolated.

You both say with such certainty that humans (in whatever future form) will be around to have to deal with our sun’s/our galaxy’s transformation. I am not saying that we won’t be, but there is a possibility that we won’t be… are you allowing for contingencies?

Of course… it would be amazing if humans reach that point in time… just that we won’t be there to witness it :cry:

But I am (we both are) not saying with such certainty that humans will be around.

Isolated from what?

humans will change even if it were the same humans imho. but I think what Arminius is suggesting, is that there is something about nature which returns to successful ideas. to wit I concur, and I think humanoids have probably existed for as long as life somewhere has been around for long enough for evolution to arrive at humanoids.

Each other.

Since life has existed in the universe throughout an infinite past, it is apparent that life doesn’t ever actually fill the universe. And that means that either life is only short lived in every case or that life spreads too slowly to fill space even given an infinity of time (which is a real possibility because space is more vast than time).

The more demanding life becomes to avoid death, the more restrained life becomes so as to achieve such a goal. So if life ever achieved total immortality, it must be adhering to exactly what is required to do so and those rules might require it to be so efficient, that it simply can’t ever afford to go haplessly gallivanting across the galaxy. In order to stay alive, it must stay confined. And such confinement might be so very far from other civilizations throughout the universe that none ever get to encounter the others without risk of complete annihilation of their own critical resources.

So again, the options are:
[list]A) ALL life is limited in duration
B) Immortal life is confined to isolation from others[/list:u]

But if “immortal life is confined to isolation from others”, then this means that “others” also exist, and if this “others” are also living beings, then it does additonally mean that “immortal life is confined to isolation from” other life (thus: mortal life). :slight_smile:

The future could well be like The Cities Of Gold cartoon… which mixed ancient with futuristic ideals of what a future could look like.

#-o it’s not Cities Of Gold… I forget which cartoon it is, but in any case… they were battling the universe…

You need sunglasses? - No. :sunglasses:

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Actually, it would look like this. Because you’d be dead.

You? In more than seven billion years?

I hope so.
I’m talking about Heaven itself. And when I get there it’s AJ’s hot applejack legs spread wide open, with her giant glistening 10 inch clit throbbing in marvelous, strong, noble, applebucking glory.

Good luck!

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That figure is a bit out since it is actually closer to five billion years

Words like “life” and “birth” should not be used for the Sun.

The phase of the “white dwarf” will be followed by the phase of the “black dwarf” (is not considered in the picture).

What happens that far in the future is non of our concern, nevertheless less. According to Stephen Hawking, in a recent seminar, mankind has to find habitable earth like planets to which it can escape from the coming cataclysm. This will not to do with
the demise of the solar system billions of years hence, but the certain ecological destruction of the earth due to population increase. There is no doubt he says, we have only 10,000 years to leave.

A1 development is certain to end in failure , he adds, because human development will be dwarfed by artificial intelligence built with self replicating and self developmental capacities, making humanity redundant.

With these short term projections, the fate of our solar system will not be our concern. We may never know it’s fate, since we will not be here, if we survive AI and can escape the barren earth left devoid of its rescourses, we will wake up in other worlds, not really knowing our origins on planet earth.

 In fact we may look at the solar system, from afar, not really cogniscant of whether it is still there, or are they merely the remaining light emitted from them a long time ago, the length of which would be changed relative to the aberration of time-space.

Do you believe what Stephen Hawking says?

The statement that “we have only a very short time for leaving this planet” is similar to the statement that “we need more money for the urgent research” (or at least to make this subject relevant).

3 billion years are a very long time, thus almost irrelevant to human beings with a lifespan of about 80 years. 10 thousand years are not a very a long time, but also almost irrelevant to most human beings.

But okay, here are some objects that could become relevamt:

  1. Jupiter’s moon Europa:

  1. Saturn’s moon Titan:

Both moons are relatively (compared with the planet Earth) small for the current 7.475 billion human beings:

But 1% of the current 7.475 billion human beings could comfortably live on Europa or on Titan. :wink:

“Let’s Go to the Moon” - Equals.

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