Esoteric Nazism (Nationalism)

So when European Americans went to the moon, or built all the infrastructure in the last century then that would be something that the average American could feel proud of. But the average Japanese would have no reason to feel proud about it.
Although it was arguably the rivalry of other nations, of other groups, other people which pushed them.

Now, in a globalist mindset with muh humanity preaching, suddenly everybody gets to feel proud of the accomplishments of muh hymanity, no matter what they actually enabled or hindered.

Civic nationalism is not that dissimilar from globalism. It inevitably leads to the latter because if it’s all about ideas and laws and everybody is an exchangeable cog then why really have borders in the long run?

The actual crucial element about nationalism is the body thus ethno-nationalism it is.
The Puerto Rican either likes himself and wants to preserve himself and his potential or he wants it to be washed away and be appeased by some feel good ideas and consumerism.

Ideas and books mean nothing when the quality of people who were able to read and understand them have disappeared. Either the biology is preserved or it’s all gone in the long run, whatever it is.

Sure but just because I expect something in return doesn’t mean that I get that in return. And what if what I get in return is just a fuzzy feeling? Giving it away for a good feeling is not something new and not something only found among a do-goody-mc-good kind of people.

Relax, Jewsus.
Jesus was half goyim, half Jew.
You are similar but less goyim than him.

I can tell by your obsession with Jesus, the cross (feel free to tell me why that is such a big thing with Jews, I’m curious) and shit, actual shit.

And to answer your attention seeking question, No, I don’t assume all people have the same values. At the same time, this doesn’t mean that values are arbitrary or that values or the act of valuing is valuable in itself. That’s a sign of trying to forget reality.

Yes, my values. You do not have to adopt my values, in fact, I would have to check my values and priorities if you were to do so. Just to make sure it’s not me who….
You know what I mean.

I see why an apostle of value ontology wouldn’t have an issue with turning into dust.
Not essentially. Because the dust would still value itself.
So why not.

I am referring to your mommy.
Jewsus’ Cross, take your time and tell me about her.

Quit being so banal. Yes, yes, all values the same, blabla.
I don’t care about what you come up with to feel good about yourself.
Or how to appeal to others who need something, anything, to feel good about themselves.

You really shouldn’t care about what I wrote, nor think about it.
Sometimes people think too much into things.

But to be frankish, I really do hope you find new apostles on ILP. Convert all of them if you can.
I’m curious how this narcissistic-supply pyramid scheme is going to work out.

As I recall, it was the Little Boy and the Fat Man that effectively put an end to Japanese pride.

Puerto Rican is a mixed-race identity to begin with and it seems to be combining the two ideas quite well, so what are they preserving? Their own biological/ethnical mixture and the feel-good philosophy?

Unfortunately, biology is not enough. I have noticed that many purebreds are unable to catch up and adapt to the changing word, and so fall behind the times. These are the traditionalists who want to live like they’ve always have but are stuck behind advancing times, and so are quickly used and gobbled up. I would also like to point out that many empires, like Persian and Ottoman Empire, were essentially of mixed race, from servants/soldiers, even to royalty itself.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dev%C5%9Firme
Why did Christians (Europeans), overseen and united by the Vatican, lose their battles against the Ottomans? Because of greed, betrayal and bickering among themselves. They could not efficiently unite against a common enemy because everyone was too busy thinking about himself - just as it is now. So what has changed?
Intrinsically, nothing has changed. Everyone is still thinking about their own self-interests. Now, consider that it was centuries back that Europeans had a problem uniting together. There was no globalist anti-white propaganda back then that one could blame it on - only people themselves. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ottoman_wars_in_Europe

It did?
The Japanese have been for a long time and still are one of the most Ethno-conscious people among the industrialised states.
The atomic bombs did nothing compared to the muh-freedom, muh-equality philosophy which became particularly toxic after the 1960s in the USA.

So? They can’t preserve their mixed-race state of affairs?
Europeans can’t choose to remain ethnically Europeans because everybody came from of Africa?
(Hy)-Man can’t choose to preserve who he is because he was not always man, but came from a lineage of primates?

Next you gonna tell me preservation doesn’t work because things always change anyway?
It’s not sensible to let go of what we have just for the sake of new possibility, especially if it’s not with a high probability of working out better. That’s in itself not a viable strategy in reality.

Now, what could work out well is exploiting the current social fabric. Like the brat who squanders the resources of his family on a whim and who, if it doesn’t work out, will plead for a safety net because ‘shit happens’. Or the one who exploits society as a whole with that mindset. That’s a net cost on society overall but a free trial run for the brat.
That way I can be all open to possibilities and whimsical dreams.

Any society who wants to preserve itself, as in survive, will have to put the responsibility, the costs, for failure on those who failed in some way or form.

As for your Ottoman’s - I can’t cooperate with somebody for a shared goal?
You mean like the victim groups in globalist America who choose not to cooperate with each other, I mean, with their ‘oppressors’ who they demand gibsmedat from.

The world just needs to remember to be cool.

Why?

Because life is precious.

And also, only bad people ever need panic. If you want, the definition of bad people can be: “people who, in seeking knowledge or power, do not measure first themselves.”

This doesn’t mean that nazi shit will be tolerated. This, never.

But maybe, just maybe, to keep stepping on the wretched is not the best way to deal. That’s why Fixed Cross is taking a distance: he likes stepping on things but appreciates life much more than he likes that. So he asked me, cause I can talk to wretched souls. Satan is all about them.

They just have to renounce their fucking cowardice.

All are free to post here… as long as they comply with ILP posting protocol, so no turf wars please.

Well, you know, nazi turf encroaches on us all. That’s all I’m trying to say.

After all, I’m just a gangster having fun.

I thought it’s because it doesn’t look good on him to make himself dirty. He has to look the part of enlightened guru now.
He’s no real Jesus after all, just a cheap copy pasta.
Remember, Jesus went to the temple himself with whip n’all.
This Jewsus here is sending you.

So, Whipocles, what do u mean by saying ‘Satan is all about them’?
I thought you are the Satanist here?
You wanna join us Satanists, leaving your Fixxer behind, or what’s the deal here?

HAhahaha. We Satanist already are, there is no choice.

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Japan has become a feminized nation of all things useless, wacky and bizarre. Their latest contribution to the world is the Pokémon Go.

My original question was the qualitative basis of national pride. A nation that produces atomic energy can be proud just as a nation that prides itself on cultivating banana plantations, but are they qualitatively the same? If they are, as you seem to be claiming, then all nations, qualitatively, are the same.

…and just a minute ago you were defending Puerto Rican mixed race pride. By same logic, a European who wants to become Eurasian, will have the same right to be proud of being Eurasian.

But it has always been that way. Things do change. Alliances change. Nations change. Political maps are redrawn. Ancient Egypt fell. Rome fell.

Ironically, that is exactly what is happening with small nationalistic countries that, for the sake of national self-preservation go so far as to indebt themselves to another and become the other’s puppet. So, in appearance, the nation appears on its own, but in reality, it belongs to other because it has sold itself. And what kind of nationalism is that? It’s like a tourist/museum attraction - a façade - pretty to look at but there is nothing left inside. And what are they proud of? The looks? Let’s assume that a nation will preserve its people (genetically), and they will be homogenous (more or less like their ancestors), and everyone will be a fishermen, and a farmer, forever and ever, just like their ancestors were. Is that what needs to be preserved? The ancient lifestyle? So you can stay in the same place - forever?

And as consequence, some of those European countries inherited Muslim culture (which set the stage for later wars).

But but, it’s not perfect, we must destroy it because it failed, because everything fails eventually. And after it is destroyed it will be better because progress, because things always get better.
So why not destroy whatever exists as soon as possible, so it can get better.
Benevolent universe will make it all alright.

As I said, change happens anyway.
I guess some people can’t stand themselves. Understandable.
But why do they have to advocate for mixing themselves into something else for others, for everybody?

• Ressentiment.

There you go again. The point that I made is that the fault, the weakness, is not in the other, but within - something that the nationalists do not want to seem to accept - and instead, prefer to point fingers of blame elsewhere. As history shows, the weakness (in form of psychological self-serving values) is already there, it is only used and exploited by other, as it has been done for ages. So why have they not learned that yet?

And where did I advocate for it? Show me. It was you who said mixed race people have a right to be proud of their mixed race, and it was you who had no problem with cooperating with different culture (disregarding cultural consequences) for the sake of self survival.

Nationalism as a tool of divide and conquer. You can see this happening yourself. Take country AB that is composed with essentially the same people differing only in slight variations. Take A people, exaggerate their differences, whatever they might be, then give them a sense of individual nationalism and turn them against B people. That doesn’t work only on different races, it works within the same race too (ethnic wars/civil wars). The key is to give them a bloated sense of nationalism (pride in their difference), and then gradually fan the flames. And what is the likely outcome of this? One will be assimilated and the other destroyed. And as far as instigator, as history shows, there will always be one out there, just as there will always be a differences (even if minute) to be exploited, and the exploitable psychology to go with it.

First, it is you who has an issue with nationalism thus with people preserving who and what they are.
See, they have no problem with their qualities which always will entail weaknesses.
You do.

Ad second, I say who or whatever people are, they may have a desire to preserve themselves, thus ethno-nationalism. Is that a problem?
Do you think feminization of the Japanese is due to nationalism? It’s due to not having an other to fight, like in a defacto globalist cesspit which reduces a social organism to a narcissistic individualistic mess.

Read up a bit on Calhoun’s Mouse Utopia Experiment.
(Totally Nazi!)
Gives a good hint at the root of this epidemic of narcissism and feminization.

Their view is too simple and near-sighted. You can be what you are - as a slave - and that will become your new identity to be proud of.

Are you advocating for weakness now? Pride in weakness?

And I pointed out several issues with that. One is qualitative. The nationalism of a small, very dependent country is not the same as nationalism of a country that can stand on its own and defend itself. The pride appears to be the same but it’s not, because one is backed up and the other is just empty words and wishes. You can proclaim national pride but can you back it up when challenged? The second point was in regards to the pride of mixed race ethnicity, which you also supported. If a proud pure race person want to become mixed race person and preserve his pride as a mixed race person, by your logic, he would be justified and his sense of national pride would be equal. This view contradicts your previous view.

No blaming others please. Japan picked its side and it paid the consequences of its choice. It lost and was castrated, just as Germany was castrated. Do you blame the enemy when you lose and the terms he imposes as a victor?

I will take a look at this author and take his view into consideration, but I think history is a better indicator of how man will react to his changing environment.

Sure, sometimes people are enslaved. But people who are not being nationalistic are not being enslaved?

Let’s say there is a nation and it is too weak to defend itself.
So you are saying, if they resist their enemies, and lose and get integrated into this bigger nation then they are now slaves.
But if they are ‘enlightened’ and see the great benefit of being integrated into this bigger nation then they are now not a slave?

This reminds me of slave morality vs. master morality. The slave morality makes being a slave into a virtuous thing. They do not necessarily call themselves slaves, they might even despise it being pointed out to them.

Sounds like a woman who can only get raped if she doesn’t just flip the script and is now willingly with her rapist. Suddenly he is not raping her anymore, because she wants it.

As for being proud of being a slave. Just because you are enslaved doesn’t mean you have to be proud of being a slave.
Why would it?

If they catch you and throw you in a dungeon, do you lose all your pride and sense of self-worth because you would be a captive and that would be all to what you are?
I don’t think so.

Accepting your weaknesses and that there will always be weaknesses is not the same as making it into a source of your pride.

Furthermore, it’s always a becoming for any organism. Accepting weaknesses is about a realistic appreciation of the situation and what can be done and what is wishful thinking and dreaming and hoping. Doesn’t mean at the same time that there is no place for aspirations. No simple black and white arguments, if you will.

You seem to have a hard time with differentiating an assessment of the situation from blaming.
Besides, do you think that your tactic of calling for ‘no blaming, please’ is going to protect you in some way? Like a way of shaming someone into not retaliating?

As for Japan, you say they are castrated and then you say they are feminized and your recipe is now to feminize them further by prescribing to abandon their desire to be in charge of their own destiny, to be distinct, separated.

You mean like in nature where an organism can only grow and grow and get bigger and bigger without end?

On Rat Utopia.

The experiment did not account for prevalence of technology on every day life. The problem that rats/mice faced was overcrowding that resulted in unwanted or excessive social interaction. If you translate into today’s human social environment, you’d notice an opposite effect. Most people, due to constant use of social media (cell phones, internet, etc.) are actually experiencing less actual, physical, social contact. People can choose how and when they interact through technology. Many chose cyber reality (staying home and playing video games, etc.). This expanse - cyber reality - acts as a psychological buffer, although how it changes behavior is still questionable. Some claim that people are becoming more withdrawn, not more aggressive, since they are being conditioned to seek out and surround themselves with similar minds online - stay in comfort zones.

So what would they have to be proud of?

And many small nationalistic countries act like a beautiful frail woman, to be preserved and admired for what she is. But can she defend herself against an aggressor? No, she can only pick who will defend her.

And what would you be proud of while sitting in a dungeon?

Right, but many choose ignore it and inflate themselves with pride anyway, making them easily manipulated.

What retaliation are you talking about? Japan is not even allowed to have an army.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Article_9 … nstitution