Animalism, Earthism

Voila, the socialist spirit.

A few days ago I mentioned it, just a bunch of people ganging up.

Filth.

like a corporation or a hedge fund

Funny how Brave Sir Robin thinks Prommy vs 2 junkies is “ganging up”. :laughing: You’re right, it’s not fair. You’ll need to recruit from KTS a few more basketcases.

You’re truly brainless fascist thugs. Coming in my thread not responding to any of my points and calling to beat me up.

Serenhorrorcunt, your friends are on KTS, antisemites like you. Ive been at war with them long before you showed your nazi head here.

Whatever. Like foul thugs.
Socialism as I said is the worst, the one truly monstrous aspect of capitalism.

The one disadvantage of the internet, is that it gives you pestilence carrying worms the power to drip your filth on decent hard working people.

I have tried to bring light and reason into your lives, been very generous in avoiding your provocations and keeping to my points.

Why do I care so much for such scum as you, why have I always tried to talk sense to broken souls… I really don’t know.

Only the weakest constitutions can be seen cowering from confrontation while accusing the other of running. You scum are here purely to soil this environment, to hurt whatever cause people are fighting for.

One could forgive an illiterate such behaviour but in someone who is clearly capable of reading, to be so treacherous is proof true malice.

Not one point Ive made has been addressed. Ive only been receiving mindless insult and now threats. I remain astonished at the depravity of the socialist character. Trust me when I say that it literally makes me sick.

Keep walking this path, you pieces of demon filth. See where it gets you, where you will end up. And when you do end up there, you may remember I tried to divert you from your course to that final dread.

Perhaps their minds are simply leaking vats. Not able to hold a thought, so when they speak it isn’t a full body of thought that expresses itself but just… stuff leaking out. By this leaking their mind seeks to empty itself.

Yet they couldn’t produce a koan. So the mind will never be empty, it will remain nearly empty, a few rusty broken screws are trapped in there.

There, exorcism accomplished.

to the point of the Soviet; there never was a phase in which the idea of the self governing region was realized.

We can find historical as well as logical reasons for this; foremost the fact that the regions did not decide as regions qua regions to self-govern on their own initiative.

It was Lenin who had take the initiative, and no Soviet, Kolchoz or Sovchoz was ever free of that knowledge.

In fact state Communism both in USSR and China have served mostly to take power from a fragile, decadent royal house at the point where the emerging sciences demanded stronger hands and colder minds.

Mao simply used Communism to lead China out of the “century of humiliation” and restore its self image as world primacy.
Lenin and then Stalin made out of Russia a domineering country where it had previously been rather docile, aware of its modest cultural role with respect to France and Holland and other nations where it sent delegations, sometimes with the Czar present, to be taught modern means.

What Lenin and Mao did is something that seems to me very much a Nietzschean line of action, most unlike what Hitler did. Stalin is another category, he was the first real International Socialist in the sense of having usurped half of Europe and dominated the leverages in much of the rest of the continent.


SOCIALISM AS UNIONIZING


I think this is the real crux here.

If one can get a Union to work, as it did in the premarxist socialism of England, then this is simply leveraging value in a proper way.

What went wrong with the unions is that they were blindly ideological. Whichever power thinks of itself as being entitled by historical necessity is bound to be seduced into all kinds of practices as the goal glibly justifies any chosen means. So you get union leaders pathetic in their grime like catholic priests, anyone who can take the burden of leadership among men and women who have never had to lead before and thus do not know what leadership is made of, will be tested by the tricks of powers of longer experience. It is a game, in the sense that there are rules set by the nature of the goal.

The goal precludes permission of that which would universally delete the goal.
So the rules are based on that.
Ladders that come down at certain commands.
Gates of Moria above the head.

Unions are luxuries. As a system, as an ideology, they obviously can’t work (see discussion on soviets above). You can’t have all workers unionize; the first group this hurts is the workers. Small and upcoming operations just can’t afford to pay more than their balance sheets demand, which is also why they can settle for less skilled work.

But in large, complex, established operations, where also more skilled workers as well as workers that know the operation well are needed, good faith and realistic negociations are good for both parties and unions make sense. I’ve seen it happen.

Union of X type of workers is a recipe for “just build the factory somwhere else” or truly sub-par education systems. But union of workers of X company, for the right scale of company, is good for all.

Which is also why communists know, at bottom, that only global communism can defeat capitalism.

Except it being your thread, you managed to get everything precisely backwards :open_mouth:

If you really believe that, you are crazy, beyond a doubt.

I’ve never seen you not run from a debate.

Ask a question! Throw a topic up for debate. I’ll reply and you’ll run.

And don’t say you already have, because I’ve replied to anything and everything here worth replying to. Sil and I were even begging for a conservative opponent, but you were evidently hiding behind the bushes.

Now after the pages have been turned a few, suddenly you tiptoe out to beat your chest, well bring it on then homie! What you got besides empty braggadocio?

Hard to know if that second quote was also aimed at me. Your communication is vague, keeps the context unclear, sort of ‘poetic’, in the sense of expressive without much rigor. But in any case, I haven’t called to beat you up. I was responding to a point you made. You’re vague description above of socialism matches a lot of capitalism, the latter hardly being some kind of will to power and is certainly a great many ganging ups, at least in its current forms. Capitalism and socialism both leave me dry, but people always want you to pick between whatver the current hallucination of what the ‘only two possibilities’ are. You called out dipper for antisemitism and prhaps even me also here. Show it. And sure KTS is anti-semitic and in many ways fascist with a love of ganging up.
And yet you and a few other people here have taken on the downside of Satyr’s style of communicating. That style need not be fascist, but if you want points responded to, make those points clear. And points come in arguments, points are not a bunch of flat assertions. N could do that because he was a genius and also wrote arguments. Without genius and arguments all you get is a bunch of ‘deep’ sounding proclamations.

FAcile. Not responding to a simple clear question about why in this case regulation is ok. I’m not a socialist and if you’d read my posts critical of Serendipper you’d know that. But box things off in a simple way so you don’t need to respond. I didn’t jump to object to the idea about regulation. I jumped to see why in this case regulation was ok. Gving you an opportunity to explain. I did not do this rudely but out of curiosity.

Your ally Pedro didn’t have the courtesy to treat you with the respect you deserve and ask you himself why you seem to disagree on this meat issue. He just attacked others on what you both see as the other team. Weak, shit. Fake solidarity. Talk about socialist.

You took some kind of stand for regulation in a particular area. Great, i even complimented you for being willing to say something that might be or might be understood to be going against what your team believes. Of course people asked for clarification. IOW gave you an opportunity to explain.

Now you do the habituals poor shadow of KTS bullshit of labeling everyone, insulting them avoiding actually responding. And that’s a poor shadow of KTS because while Satyr would do that kind of thing he also actually responded or attempted to to points made. You’ve rejected the father, while taking on only the poor aspects without the good ones.

yes, you came to a philosophy for to express your views. A perfect description. To express. To throw out your ideas and somehow you are surprised that they might get criticized or questioned or that you might get asked for clarification.

[i]Hey, I came here to express.

I am not interested in interacting. Your role is to listen.[/i]

Like an only child archetype.

If Pedro had had the guts and real friendship integrity he would have asked our questions and we could have read and see how you viewed your OP in the wider context of your beliefs. But he was not a true friend here. He just lashed out at socialists rather than trying to find out why you two disagree on regulating meat.

I won’t take responsibility for his failure or take seriously all the labels you want to throw out in this hissy fit.

I’ll ignore you. See, how simple that is. Instead of playing victim. Ignore. Poor you, you just wanted to express. Well, express to your heart’s content. I won’t bug you.

Regarding Brownshirt Serendipper

Someone should give me a heads-up when Brave Sir Robin begins gnawing my shoestrings as I don’t always have my focus so low.

Hey you guys wanna see why genius there thinks I’m racist???

After the egotist brothers begged me to come to their hole-in-the-wall site to get mired in a conversation reminiscent of being stuck in an elevator, I posted a Brother Nathanael video to illustrate the beauty of the Colorado mountains, which was the subject of the conversation, and because that was the only media I could think of that contained the evidence. Yeah, that was it.

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BZg1akT24XQ[/youtube]

From that he concluded, without trial, that I give 2 shits about race. And nevermind that I spend half my time fighting Gloominary in defense of brownies against his racism and white supremacy. No, let’s not focus on that. Let’s pull everything out of context and make sweeping generalizations while jumping to conclusions.

Because the important thing is to demonize serendipper. Why? Because Brave Sir Robin can’t win on a level field and he knows it, which is why he runs and hides then tiptoes out to beat his chest while my back is turned. He does drivebys like the gangsta wannabe junkies he admires.

But I suppose by junkie-logic I’m also a Confederate flag waving conservative because I post zerohedge links too, eh? Hey, I’ve been reading zerohedge daily, every. single. day, since 2010. Every single day. It’s the first site I check. Every. single. day! Well obviously then I’m conservative. Who ever heard of keeping enmities close?

Call for violence? Yeah, if you consider your inner child getting its ass kicked, then yeah, let’s rock:

A junkie calls me a junkie!?!?

He’s been dancin’ with
Mr. Brownstone
He’s been knockin’
He won’t leave me alone

Time to step into his world
Kick him in the mind
I’ll be the only witness
To the nature of my crime

Complainin’ about the present
Blamin’ it on the past
Time to find his inner child
And kick its little ass!

It’s like going to confession every time I hear you speak
You’re makin’ the most of your losin’ streak
Some call it sick, but I call it weak

You drag it around like a ball and chain
You wallow in the guilt; you wallow in the pain
You wave it like a flag, you wear it like a crown
Got your mind in the gutter, bringin’ everybody down
Complain about the present and blame it on the past
I’d like to find your inner child and kick its little ass!

Get over it
Get over it
All this bitchin’ and moanin’ and pitchin’ a fit
Get over it, get over it

You call yourself a musician and you can’t recognize classic tunes such as those? Probably spending too much time with the hood rats then.

The only time BN ever enters my mind is when you bring it up, so I know your weakness now: you open your mouth again and I’ll stuff more beautiful Colorado scenery in it.

Either present an argument, defend it, or stfu with your constant whimpering!

a similar incident occured in nazi germany known as ‘the night of the long knives’. what we are experiencing here at ILP may be called ‘the day of the short knives’. on this day, a citizen of ILP, one jakob milikowski, has brought forth allegations that you, serendipper, are, in fact, a nazi agent. we shall henceforth observe procedural statutes 3.4b and 2.2a until this matter is resolved. you will retain full citizenship privileges with the exception of a curfew being temporarily placed upon you, until such time that the evidence is brought before the court of carleas our lord to be examined and a verdict reached.