The Fourteen Cosmological Arguments for the Existence of God

God could cause every possible organism to be on heaven on earth through the process of evolution!

You deny gods power?

Says he who’s having a conversation with himself, in the form of a sock puppet… that’s the worst kind of trolling ever… making the site look like joke!

Recipes? That’s all he’s got… I share recipes… :confusion-scratchheadyellow:

As you were, troll.

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Not sure what you’re asking?

Its like the Thunderwizard says. Only Christians are so insecure about whether or not their God exists that they need arguments for it - to convince themselves.

Please, just move over to a real religion.

The existence of God is a question of reason. Therefore, there is a need for reasoning for God’s existence.

Whoa!!! Now I understand your post!!!

Dude!! MagsJ, I’ve been on the internet and I’m very proud of two things:

I’ve never ignored someone
I’ve never used a sock puppet

Carleas has my IP address … PM Carleas and ask him if John is my sock puppet!!

I actually understand now why you don’t have a blue moderator emeritus status… you’re belligerent and downright evil. Power hungry.

Sure I might be that at times too, but I’m not a fucking moderator!!!

Hmm… this response is lackluster and easy to refute because these sentences don’t imply each other.

I ask you again:

Does god have the power to make every possible being live in heaven on earth and beyond?

What do you mean?

This is an ackward statement: “live in heaven on earth and beyond?”

That is an awkward statement…

I meant it this way:

Live in ‘heaven on earth’ (including evolution) and additionally, heaven beyond. All of it from beginning to forever…

So I ask you again, is god powerful enough to do this?

God is, and more. The trouble is, men cannot have faith enough, yet, to realize that god can only act in situ, not just this, but through all the differing variations where MAN lives.

For sure infinity has by now become much more policentric than realize the real meaning of the vastness of eternity.

Compared to what we.may yet become here, the Copernican Revolution is still situated on an anthill.

We can suppress that power out of the fear that we may never self include in the preset family of an all-inclusive power.

We are afraid of being , afraid of loosing mere existence.

The limits keep receding , that are merely signs by a regressive., ever thin whisk of our own image , of
a self, in the middle , cast between heaven and hell. We can’t conceive and transcend , therefore, we can’t transport ourselves into the image of god.

At that point, great danger is present, of either a gross inflated or deflated objectification, and that is the point of
of the timescape, where the great temptation arises, to misidentify
sell out, or escape into the near impossible stretched horizon, from which, there appears no exit.

God cannot remove suffering from evolution, because it would not be evolution. Blame evolution and atoms neither of whom care about suffering.

Again, God cannot change His uncaused power to create. There may be uncaused aspects of everythingness that God cannot change that necessitate creation in a certain way. Because God’s creation toolbox is uncaused, that may affect hiw things are made because you only get the tools thst come in the box.

I know the tools in that box. Evolution does not necessitate suffering.

You know (like every apologist) that the PoE is the best argument against god. The best that you come up with is that god has a limited toolbox!

Well… I’m not talking about god contradicting logic here; those arguments are absurd!

I know for a fact that god can create evolution without suffering.

I know for a fact that god doesn’t have to create a “no pain, no gain” existence.

I know that you know that the PoE is the MOST damning argument against the existence of god!

What do you say to this? “Well, god has a really shitty toolbox! God tried the best with what god had.”

That’s pathetic!

How do you design an evolutionary process without suffering?

The PoE is not actually an issue that is relevant to the Cosmological Arguments.

However, you wanted to discuss omnibenevolence, so I went along with.

Are you saying god is not omnipotent?

God cannot do that which there is no power to do. So, how do you design evolution to avoid suffering?

This:

…is what a person premises, when it hasn’t dawned on them by now, that the reason my name is no longer green is because I didn’t want the responsibility of moderating problematic types… hardly evil or power hungry, in-fact, I’d say, not at all.

Non-zero sum Hyper-dimensional mirror realities!

Works like a 2 dimensional mirror, but infinite dimensions… it creates a fully immersive world (unlike a standard mirror) but makes it impossible to harm any actual possible being! While everything goes your way forever!

How does evolution occur in this mirror reality?

It used to until man succumbed to temptation.

But then the Apple did per chance hit Newton in the head, and that is kind of a redemptive sign, to switch hard drives.

Maybe wrong thread here, but may fit in somehow. Sorry.

Every organism has within it desire. Desire to be greater than itself! Even an amoeba has this instinct!

In a non-zero sum (no winners or losers) hyper-dimensional mirror reality attached to our individual desire matrices (no losers, only winners), every being gets what they want forever without the possibility of harming themselves or another being.