The Fourteen Cosmological Arguments for the Existence of God

Gib,

According to wiki-

“General relativity becomes special relativity at the limit of a weak field. At very small scales, such as at the Planck length and below, …”

What we have come to at this stage of the argument is to qualify in simplest forms of logarithmic sequencing yo transvalue quantifiable reduction into the ‘singular’ logic related to Leibnitz’ proof, (one cosmological among the 14)-into the limit where such proof becomes imperceptible in the second theory of relativity.

What this indicates is, a need to eliminate understanding through a limitless uncertainty, again in purely logical means.

Which begs the question of logical spatial-temporal relation, as simple as that.

The implication of this was that the idea leads to the variable question of whether the relation between the first and second theories of relativity are continuous discreet, and came to Einstein’ formulation that god does not play with dice.

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nterjection and conception are mutually.recripocative, and finally the level of uncertainty may change the character of space time . similar to the famois cat in the box uncertainty experiment.

At the point of.singularity , all logically derived uncertainty becomes absolutely certain.

This was Cantor’s ultimate uncertainty , I think with interjection into sequential gaps. On my,or perhaps on our part, I am assuming it as a conjecture.

Actually, I believe it’s all discrete. I was only curious as to your logic. I like the logic btw. The beginning of spacetime itself indicates discreteness. Very good! However, an end to a finite series with a discrete beginning is not necessary because it will always be finite.

I think it’s an upper limit on the basic unit of time. What it means is that there is no time between units. Each unit is a discrete frame in the movie of time.

I’m feeding the cat:

XVI. THE ARGUMENT FROM RANDOMNESS (BY SERKAN ZORBA)
The argument from randomness proves the existence of God by demonstrating that the perfect randomness observed in the cosmos requires an infinite intelligence we call God. The cosmos creates perfect randomness at the quantum level, where the result of an event is independent of the past and future influences. Consequently, the event is not determined by any physical cause although it transpires in our physical universe, but rather by a transcause originating beyond our phenomenal level. A timeless omniscience or transintelligence with infinite computational wherewithal is necessary, because knowledge of the past and future must really be known to truly render a correlationless behavior making sure that the same random result is not repeated over and over again. The true absolute randomness observed in nature proves the existence of an infinitely intelligent entity we call God.

John,

We have a human conception of existence which always has beginnings.

If I’m doing any kind of math with infinities, I need to start from somewhere, some point. Maybe I start from zero and expand from there. From this point, it’s logical that people project onto god that god must start somewhere as well. Why do you take human perspective as a given for the perspective of a being that you are convinced is so much greater than our minds? Cause. Maybe god is uncaused time and space, not requiring a beginning and end like all of us do conceive of all of this.

Nature is full of beginnings. Why think that beginnings are only a human construct?

The reason I ask you these questions is:

“How can a being that’s NEVER seen a beginning even figure out what a beginning is to be able to make a beginning in the first place?”

Either it’s “mysterious” like you say (I still hold that atheism is infinitely MORE mysterious!) or god experienced a beginning that god didn’t create.

God’s mind is uncaused. God’s knowledge of beginnings is uncaused.

Gods knowledge of beginnings is definitely uncaused. No argument from me here. Beginnings are uncaused.

The idea that god is all beginnings: absurd.

Like I stated before: how can god invent otherness?

Interjection of sacredness:

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God doesn’t invent otherness. God’s uncaused mind knows otherness and God has the power to create otherness in physical reality.

That means otherness is outside of god. If god didn’t invent or create otherness, that means there’s something greater than god.

Here’s the deal John, I know you’re not a logitician, actually, I know you hate logic.

God is uncaused. God’s uncaused mind and uncaused knowledge is God. It’s not greater than God.

Otherness is greater than every being in existence!

Your exact quote: “god doesn’t create otherness” “but god knows otherness”

God doesn’t create what god knows?

John, let me be blunt to you. No being in all of existence exists without otherness. God included.

God has uncaused knowledge and uncaused power to create otherness in physical reality. God does not need physical reality to exist.

That’s not true. Space is defined as “otherness”. Time is defined as “patterned motion“. God cannot exist without either of those.

Space is defined as spacetime or the quantum field. Time is defined as a real dimension of spacetime. God creates spacetime.

John replied to ecmandu saying this to John:

“Space is defined as “otherness”. Time is defined as “patterned motion“. God cannot exist without either of those.”

My definitions are perfect John. Yours are barely legible…

My definitions are scientifically acceptable. Your’s aren’t.

My definitions are self evidently true.

Quantum (whatever you’re trying to say here (just looks like a mash of words to me to make it sound intelligent and true)) anyways ‘quantum’ is a subset of otherness. Otherness is exactly what space is, there is no other possible solution to that definition.

My definition of time is also perfect. Patterned motion. Again, it’s self evidently true. If motion has no pattern, no being can perceive that motion. Since the motion can be perceived, it’s obviously patterned in some form.

Again, god cannot exist without otherness, god cannot exist without patterned motion. God is dependent on these, these are not dependent upon god.