Perhaps… I’m simply fluid, like water.
Perhaps… I am all of them, or none of them.
Perhaps… I became none of them, and so was flooded and intoxicated by them, when they all came back to me.
Perhaps… it’s best that you remain unsure…
you assume
hm
ok true i’ll grant you that one
though they do overlap if you consider the transition from square to circle I wrote above
anyway, all of the four types come in introvert and extrovert form
we need as many classes as necessary to comprehend all human behavior
and allow for distinction and grouping
but not as many as to cause redundancy
the greek method is useful in its limited way
like if a friend will introduce someone to you, and beforehand they tell you they’re sanguine
you can go ahead and tell them you’d rather stay home
the ocean method actually has some decent scientific foundation to it
enough for me to consider it valid
i recommend looking into the technical bits of it if you care to
since there are infinite numbers between 0 and 1
the only way to categorize a person as one type rather than another
is when there is a distinct prevalence of one over the others
and then when there isn’t a prevalence
you simply can’t say that a person is either choleric or not
you have to settle for “kinda”
i’m cool with looking at a dictionary
you can make a case here if you want to, i’ll read it
but then i’ll just come back to you and say that’s not what those words mean
that the meaning you are assigning to them is biased by your living experience and whatnot
and what a word means to you in particular is entirely of irrelevant to me
You know full well that circles and squares do not overlap and that what you’re doing here is changing definitions. A polygon is a polygon, and not a circle, no how matter how similar to circle it is.
Not impressed by it.
It has to do with definitions e.g. if you say that a person is choleric insofar the prevalence of their choleric tendencies is greater than or at least equal to the prevalence of other tendencies, then someone who is 25% choleric, 25% melancholic, 25% sanguine and 25% phlegmatic is a choleric. And definitions are chosen based on the prupose of classification. But this doesn’t strike me as particularly relevant to our discussion.
What’s important is that someone who is 25% choleric, 25% melancholic, 25% sanguine and 25% phlegmatic is also 50% introverted and 50% extraverted. The same applies for other types such as 50% choleric, 50% melancholic, 0% sanguine and 0% phlegmatic. Someone who is not predominantly choleric or predominantly sanguine cannot be predominantly extraverted.
Actually, you have to read Jung and Hippocrates. Dictionary definitions are of no use.
For Magnus… in how to differentiate your S from your N: S function dominant people will place emotional importance on specific details. N function dominant people will place emotional importance on the environment surrounding the memory.
When two people cannot agree on the definition of a particular word the problem can be resolved very easily by
each one accepting the definition of the other and then demanding that they stick to it as rigorously as possible
Dictionaries are descriptive not prescriptive and so what ultimately gives words their legitimacy is how they are used NOT how they are defined
Also words can have multiple definitions and do not always refer to clearly defined concrete things but unclearly defined abstract things as well
Such as for example the two words being questioned by you here . The reason why language is ambiguous is because human beings are ambiguous
Not when we’re dealing with other people’s words. In such a case, both parties must come to an agreement how this other person defines their words.
Remember that it is FC who said “I am choleric”. The question is: is he defining the word “choleric” in his own way or is he referring to how someone else defines it? If the former is the case, then what matters is how FC defines it; if the latter is the case, then what matters is how this other person (most likely Hippocrates) defines it.
I assume he’s referring to Hippocrates’s definition given that he said what he said in response to MagsJ’s post.
And since it is me who introduced the terms “introvert” and “extravert” here in this thread, it is me who gets to define these terms. And I define them in a way roughly similar to how Carl Gustav Jung, their originator, defined them.
It’s just that phoneutria is not interested in playing this game. Nothing wrong with that. But then, no further discussion can take place on this particular subject. (Remember that phoneutria said she has low enthusiasm. I guess that’s what it amounts to 
I am much more of a maniac than she is.)
Do you think there are cholerics on this board?
Trump is a choleric. Does FC look like Trump to you? I know that FC adores Trump but that proves nothing. Phlegmatic women are typically attracted to choleric men – what does that prove? (Not saying that FC is a phlegmatic woman, by the way.)
Hopefully, FC doesn’t mind the fact he has become the subject of this thread. There is certainly no ill will from my side.
He would not be using a definition that he did not actually agree with even if it is someone elses definition as well
The important thing here is to ask him to provide that definition and then ensure that he sticks to it as I suggested
yeah but a person’s temperament isn’t nearly as straightforward a thing to measure as a circle is
nobody can even come to a consensus on what they’re measuring for
I gather that you’re going by the definition that there are two big categories, introverted and extroverted
and that inside each there are two subcategories
choleric and sanguine under extroverted
such that cholerics would fall under a subset of extrovert
and therefore could never be considered introvert
sure
but if you’re going orthodoxicaly by hippocratic definitions you would also need to accept
that you can measure how choleric a person is by the amount of bile in their system
which I don’t think is taken seriously by anyone in this day and age
say it ain’t so
and if you’re allowing for adaptations to it
you might be able to see how those groups might be better defined as eight (4, each divided in two)
as those temperaments come in both introverted and extroverted forms
so yeah
you can go on to say that I’m not using them as hippocrates intended
to which i’ll say whatever, he was wrong
(but not without merit)
if you’re going to take an existing word and use it to describe a physical phenomenon
the dictionary damn hell better have some use
otherwise you may as well smack the wall and call it babeh
i should have added that i also don’t discuss jung anymore
because this is what always happens
i stick to his theories
at the first hint of a disagreement with someone
they go FREUD WAS BETTER ANYWAY
at this rate i will soon stop speaking entirely
“An Ambivert is someone whose overall behavior is between introversion or extroversion.
-An Omnivert is someone who can be either, at different times. 26 Mar 2020”
I just remembered about these options, following Phon’s post… I think that most, when in their comfort zone, can/will be Ambivert… the painfully painfully shy, maybe not.
Continued here:
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Let’s leave FC’s thread alone. I don’t want it to get depressed.
Depression is common for everyone and we face daily or sometime in our life but It gives use new energy if we overcome from Depression.
Depression is ignorance. Joy is also ignorance (but sometimes and somewhat practical)
My entire meta goal in life is to be able to say, “it’s a good day and I’m feeling great” and not be lying.
People really do lie to themselves everyday here… way worse than lying to others.
But I don’t even often afford myself lying to others.
When someone says something like, “hey, how’s it going?” Or “it’s nice out today”, I immediately realize that they are not self realized.
I deflect this type of mind by saying somewhat comical things like “just doing my Jason things”. Or “smoking and pacing”
I have charming canned answers to not make people uncomfortable and still hold my own integrity.
People don’t know the depth of why I answer this way, but they usually smile when I do.
Their smile is deceptive , used to cover their inordinate horror
Fear is a milder expression.*
*fear of depth
My canned answer to “it’s nice out today” is:
“Are you spreading rumors again?”
Things like this just relax serious tension.
I mean, guys are unapologetic for the things they have to do to get sex (exhibiting a higher contradiction frequency).
And they certainly cannot accept that sex hurts the feelings of others while you’re having your best times in life (even though they know it deep down). That’s sadism, that’s psychopathy.
I’ve realized that most people on earth on the continuum of psychopathy are actually significantly psychopathic.
So… I just take it upon myself to pull their spiritual weight instead of getting bogged down with trying to convert them.
Depression is ignorance because this world is shit, but without a plan, people sublimate it… because without a plan there is no hope.
They also can’t absorb how truly wicked they are because of the shallow need to defend their life stories as perfect.
There are lots of layers here, even more than I just described. It is what it is.
You sound as though you haven’t got the slightest idea of what depression is.
healthline.com/health/depre … vs-sadness
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Endogenou … 20stressor.
It is quite difficult having a condition that you can’t explain to people …