Internet forums in general have lost interest over the decades.
Now itās about Facebook and Twitter.
I mean, fuck, half of ILP decided to ignore me because Iām a moral objectivistā¦ what did I say that put their panties in a bunch?
Nobody wants their consent violated.
For saying this, iambiguous, Karpel, MagsJ, Peter and silhouette decided to ignore me.
My posts get better each day, but they still canāt let go that I proved objective ethics. Urwrong gets mad at me too.
Apparently, itās not politically correct to say that all people in existence are exactly the same (objective) : none of them want their consent violated.
K: I refuse to engage with you for a couple of reasonsā¦ you keep changing the goalpost
so no matter how you answer, you are wrongā¦ secondly, I object to anyone who
proclaims themselves to be āobjectiveā because there is no such thing as āobjectiveā
and thirdly, I object to this idea of āconsent violationsā because it doesnāt mean a dam
thingā¦ it is pretend nonsenseā¦and I will not engage in nonsense, by you or anyone elseā¦
I donāt change goal posts. People are such trolls that I just go with the flow. Unlike others, I donāt try to corral my threads. This makes it look like Iām changing goalposts when Iām just up for whatever the fuck random shit gets posted in my threads.
If every being possible in all of existence agrees in the same thing, itās objective. Hate to burst your bubble hereā¦ consent violation is not a matter of opinion. Itās a fact. Nobody wants it to happen: EVER.
I donāt know what kind of cush life youāve lived that leads you to believe consent violations are nonsenseā¦ itās not. You are not a man of the people peter
Either Faust or Tentative used to model this place as a local pub (which as I recall was the inspiration for the banner image above). I think thatās a good comparison: a group of regulars that come for whatās on tap and stay for the surrogate family.
I donāt know which Stooge you call me, but if this is supposed to represent my thinking it is only partially correct. I donāt think youāve driven away serious philosophers. I donāt remember a golden age here. But maybe one of the other Stooges is nostaligic. Or maybe I said something like this, itās justā¦who am I longing for. Itās nice to see Von Rivers around, but I never got the impression he left because of you, for example. I figured he just got tired the then, and still now, fairly low quality philosophy. Of which I consider myself a part. I am here for reasons that are not really philosophy, but to bounce off worldviews. There are better places for more academic philosophy, if thatās what you mean by serious philosophy, Iāve never understood this criticism. I am always free to go to the more academic ones, if thatās what serious means, so I have no complaints against you based on losses to serious philosophy.
Its not that the people are weird. Well some are of course. But its more less how Carleas described it, which isnāt so weird when you look at it that way.
Right, like that expression itself isnāt a subjective point of view rooted in dasein. But when I first became a member of ILP, there were considerably more folks that I would construe to be passionate about philosophy. And in whatever manner they had come to understand āthe best of all possible worldsā in regard to exchanges of philosophy. Thatās the comparison that I make. Not between the way ILP was then and someoneās description of the best of all philosophical worlds. Period. My way or the highway.
I didnāt name names because I have no idea why any particular member left. All I can do is, once again, extrapolate from my own understanding of past experiences in philosophy venues going all the way back to the MSN groups 20 years ago. Von and Velvet Chainsaw, my āarchenemiesā in a group called [I think] Brainstorm!
And, for me, āserious philosophersā are still more or less in sync with Will Durantās assessment:
āIn the end it is dishonesty that breeds the sterile intellectualism of contemporary speculation. A man who is not certain of his mental integrity shuns the vital problems of human existence; at any moment the great laboratory of life may explode his little lie and leave him naked and shivering in the face of truth. So he builds himself an ivory tower of esoteric tomes and professionally philosophical periodicals; he is comfortable only in their companyā¦he wanders farther and farther away from his time and place, and from the problems that absorb his people and his century. The vast concerns that properly belong to philosophy do not concern himā¦He retreats into a little corner, and insulates himself from the world under layer and layer of technical terminology. He ceases to be a philosopher, and becomes an epistemologist.ā
This too being but an intellectual contraption rooted existentially in dasein. But my own interest in philosophy revolves almost entirely around exploring flesh and blood human interactions that revolve around morality and immortality. Given particular contexts. And in exploring the gaps between what someone believes or claims to know is true āin their headā and what they are able to actually demonstrate as in fact true for all other rational human beings.
I think Iām curly, but didnāt you switch names around a while ago? Anyway, itās not the part of your posts I notice.
Um, I donāt remember me thinking there was a Golden Age here. You wrote to WW111 as if I was mourning a better time (from my values). I donāt remember feeling that way or expressing it. The Pale imitiation. You said I, yes, made a value judgment that now is worse then then. I havenāt.
Wait. You said I or Curly in any case, thought it was better before. Not you.
Please. Just for a moment. You saidā¦
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I donāt think that.
I have called you out on your behavior, but I have never said that ILP is a pale imitation of what it was. If I am Curly. Am I Curly? If I am not Curly, who did say it? IS Curly Phyllo?
Which of us said that?
Seriously, I am not biting your balls because of what pisses me off. I seriously have no idea what you are talking about.
That is not how I feel, this pale imitation thing. If itās me, please show me the post. If Curly is someone else, please show me the post.
I have no idea what you are talking about. I think you fuck up discussions, yes. I donāt think there was a time that felt like a Golden Age for me. Youāve always been here. I have no time here before you. The apartment came furnished.
No, itās Kids. Something I just made up one day to encompass my reaction to what I construe to be minds that are not even remotely challenging. Or their ācontributionsā tend to consist of youtube videos. Urwrongx1000 and his rabid, declamatory liberals-are-scum-dog posts.
As for the "real philosophers here ā or what I call the āserious philosophersā ā they often have very sophisticated and challenging minds. Karpel Tunnel for example. But in regard to the things that most preoccupy me from my signature threads, they almost never come down out of the clouds. The Magnus Anderson types.
Still, Iām ever and always stuck with admitting that my own posts here are little more than subjective āexistential contraptionsā in turn.
ā¦, if there is curly, there should really be the other two, mo, and Larry.
Why curly? Because he does real philosophy, or maybe reel philosophy.
The latter is a good metaphor for cutting out the least desirable , unphilosophical parts, that may not fit into a club atmosphere.
But it is what it is, and bringing things down to basics has been the aim of no less illustrative thinkers then. those positive about simplicity for itās own sake.
But that it doesnāt or canāt hold too much water anymore , is just a reminder that all schools of thought have to change with the times !
Once again, I have no idea what point you are making here, but it does allow me to bring this thread back up to the top. And maybe this time Wendy will take the bait.
