Determinism

I honestly think I should be banned for my vulgarities but I cant help myself when faced with dishonesty and idiocy, fortified by arrogance. I thought this forum was a bit better that SHITthyself(and it is) but the dullards here are just as bad and just as dull.

Meno is of course rattling on about a whole bunch of other stuff. I don’t know whether you should be banned. That is a complex issue. Like I said before, you are just being honest. You and I both know that people have a difficult time dealing with honesty. Some idiocy can be falsely identified but most are easy to see. Arrogance…I don’t know…I guess, in some ways - depends on the angle one would view you.

Most people here who are upset are more upset by your cussing than anything else.

Some conversations of course take on a different set of English - there is jargon involved.

I have a rational ground because he’s being verbally abusive. We are still living in a free will environment promethean75.

You CAN help yourself if you want to, but you don’t want to because it gives you greater satisfaction to name call probably thinking you will be heard. But it’s the opposite polish. Try a different method if you really care about your message.

From what I understand, people call it trolling but I am old and don’t fully understand this concept.

Don’t real trolls want to be alone?

His language is vulgar but does not worry me. I have witnessed much worse than what polish delivers. From the viewpoint of the privileged and overly comfortable some of his behavior could be considered abusive.
For most, I think it is more annoying than anything else. He takes the stance of the antagonist - a pretty simple role to act out on the internet.

I guess it is a form of verbal abuse if you are susceptible to it. The worst form to me would be the off-balancing form - delivering a constant state of confusion.

The Canadians are such puffs they are hurt by somebody calling them an idiot.

I really feel I must reply. In fact my 'proof by contradiction’is not meant to be anything but, and the truth of the matter is in my mind beyond dispute, since the problem of attitude, arrogantly presupposed seems to be the final arbiter.

Arrogance is a optically playing metaphor which appears to eat up the contents of the dynamic manifested results of primary contradiction, which after all is at the heart of the discussion between determining and intentional factors which come into play.

That I have openly come out expressing my opposition to Polish Youngster’s ban, should be ample evidence to where I honestly stand fir a politically neutral sounding board regarding the coming objective validity of a sought after position yet not defined.

This contradictory premise is fodder to conflation thus becomes a reflection of a necessery literal solution vis one where allusion through contingency is manifested through what appears to be control; social or otherwise.

This is no longer an allusion but a manifested break. in the illusive power of contradiction.

What must happen will be seen as one that should happen rather then one that might happen.

The last is the idea of the functional utility any such reduction could have conceived,

Philosophycally speaking it is a conventional way of describing those, who explore these type of issues from the point of view toward and from this type of logic.

An example I can think of, is an MS of yesteryear: ‘Open society and It’s enemies’.

Interesting.

I did not know whether you wanted to go there or not Meno.

You have always struck me as an analytical type as well as a peaceful type.

You also seem to be able to weather most storms.

I also remember the confusing days of Trixie who I was sad to see go.

You are insane.

Insane for being sad to see people go?

:-k

How is that a definition of insanity?

Back in my day people used to knock each other’s heads off - something that would have happened to you, I have no doubt. You would have been put in your place pretty quickly.
But now we live in a softer society with a cushioned existence.

It is easy to be the tough man on the internet but when you have to go one on one with someone that is always a different story.
Guns and gang fights are for the real pussies.

Mouthing off as you do achieves absolutely nothing.

What the fuck are you talking about spook.

What the fuck are you talking about?

I am hopeful that you saw my post before I edited it.

Now back to what I am interested in - whether you should be banned or not.

I don’t see a reason for it yet, at least from my point of view…and dude…some things really do go over your head.

Oh yes. Trixie always wondered why she left. Thinkin’ me a shadow a dilletante standing next to her.

But yes why not go 'there, or anywhere for that matter, but definitely not everywhere.

Even explore such strange existential problems, amusing, such as the intricacies of gifted dillitantism from autistic perspectives, or how I came to love modern Italian prose.

The prof.from Umberto Ecco’s :’ Foucalt’s Pendulum’.

From confessions

Well, we should have interests outside this monstrous domain. I love music.

Yes some places, even I do not want to go.

I have an autistic friend - absolute genius - very frustrating at times…but…he picks up some things much quicker than so-called normal people.
I read one of those articles you linked to - interesting concepts - I think the label is extended a little too far - the spectrum just a tad too large.
I am sure when the world gets its own mind back, it will be adjusted.

I have discovered some deterministic aspects of the mind driven of course by the brain…
…there are some that are considered non-deterministic…
…but since this thread is not about the mind but simply named determinism…welp…

Iambiguous: Again, this is what I struggle to grasp about her own understanding of free will.

As I understand a determined universe, he literally could not help himself. In fact, all 98 pages of this thread merely reflects the only possible reality.

And, as I understand free will, polishyouth’s brain has somehow evolved into matter of an entirely different order. Like yours and mine. It is matter that really is able to opt autonomously to post one point of view rather than another.

Peacegirl: Definition is playing games with you again. “To opt autonomously to post” (without force) is not synonymous with opting with free will.

Iambiguous: And, then, given new experiences, new relationships and access to new information, knowledge and ideas he is able to opt freely to change his mind.

Peacegirl: Being able to contemplate gives the illusion of opting freely but that would mean one can opt to choose other than what one chooses. IOW, one could have chosen otherwise. Impossible.

Iambiguous: But points of view here are, given a real deal free will world, more the embodiment of a subjective frame of mind rooted in dasein. Or, in his case, a “condition”.

Peacegirl: A subjective frame of mind rooted in dasein has nothing to do with free will. Neither does a “condition.”

Iambiguous: Whereas in peacegirl’s free will/no free will agglomerated brain/mind above, even though he can’t help himself, some of us are still justified in being disturbed by what he posts; and that getting him banned is the best option. Even though it would seem that we couldn’t help ourselves here either

Peacegirl: Very true.

Iambiguous: Makes no sense to me other than by accepting the fact that nature is just not ready to enlighten me. But that would imply a teleological component in nature. And how on earth can we wrap our minds around that…even though it would only be as nature compelled us.
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Peacegirl: You don’t have to make this whole thing sound mysterious Iambiguous. Nature is not separate from you, which goes back to your confused definition of determinism.

Determinism versus Determinism
Nurana Rajabova is determined to sort it out.

Come on, who is kidding whom? Are we really expected to believe that the biological matter involved in producing a human pregnancy that is then aborted is exactly the same as the matter in the brain that discusses and debates the morality of the abortion?

Yet, okay, admittedly, given my own “here and now” assumptions about determinism, that is basically what I expect others to believe.

Only I don’t have any autonomous say about it in a determined world and, in a real deal free will world, I don’t have any possible way in which to demonstrate that my frame of mind is either the optimal or the only rational way in which to think about it.

Same with this intellectual contraption:

Sound familiar?

What else is there here but to accept our surreal fate? Everything posted on this thread to date [including the dreck of late] is either from the minds of those – all of us for example – wholly in sync with the ultimately mysterious laws of matter or if there is an element of volition in the matter that has become the human brain, we are unable to grasp it in its entirety going back to an explanation for existence itself.

Try this:

If you want to know just how mind-bogglingly vast and mysterious the universe that we all live in is – and how infinitesimally insignificant we are here on planet Earth – tune in to the space programs on the Science Channel.

In other words, compelled or not.

Note to nature:

With your permission, I’m now switching over to the real deal free will world.

This is classic satyr. Basically, what he is arguing here is that even though he is not able to provide us with the definitive proof that human behaviors are derived from free will, it simply must be that way because, hey, come on, that is the only manner in which to justify his own take on blame and victims and Desperate Degenerates.

And, yes, human interactions that lead to rape are embedded in the complex intertwining of genes and memes. But his own superior will to power has enabled him to grasp every single instance in which genes trump memes and his own take on gender and sexuality in the real deal free will world must be your own or…

…take a wild guess.

He is a bit of a retard…a paranoid zealot kook using debunked and convoluted psychoanalysis to terrorise people and crucify them in his own head…a bit of a creep kook…like yourself…
the only person guilty of rape is the rapist…irrelevant of free-will…you are guilty of what you do, not of why you do it…you want to persecute and lockdown people for what they might think or feel???the Canadian kooks justice is no justice but a barbaric tooth and claw savagery where you are guilty of what you get caught committing and the savage evil criminals are salvaged and put next to their victims who should have fought harder to defend themselves and optimally locked themselves up in their houses like a paranoid kook does. in the kooks mind being weaker is a sort of a crime you commit when you get overpowered by a superior by definition criminal who is praying on you…he is fantasizing about a system where his bizarre version of evolution is incorporated into the system and you basically get punished for being weaker, somebody should rape his mother when she was walking her dog…the bitch deserved it…what is she doing outside her locked up house with such a tiny dog??? she should have gotten a bigger dog and a bodyguard…now the bitch is laying in the bushes bleeding from her nose and her vagina…as guilty as the rapist…the kook is both stoupid and arrogant… :confused: :confused: :confused: he wants to say something coherent but his insane retard brain can only blurt incoherent stupidities he then dresses in seeming self-evident prose and repeats ad nuseum.

Too late Polish, from the days of the solidrarity are way over, back then one could get an inch but take a mile.

what? :confused: A man might want to rape a woman because he might be horny…is he guilty of that?, or of actually raping her because of it? the motive in the background is a part of what decides the type of crime committed but it itself is not a crime. and the only one guilty is the criminal…obviously…is a man who has his expensive car stolen guilty because he bought an expensive car?are people living in large houses guilty of being robbed? should they live in small houses instead??? :confused: :confused: :confused: this kooks is off his rocker. he makes up nonsensical shit to get back at people he dislikes in his head.