Champagne Socialism

A dark age for what’s left of the masses is what the global communists want, but a 7 billion population is probably more like 5 billion in actuality and reproduction’s collapsing just in time for the corporate technocrats to gobble up water rights, farm lands, and other resources for their ultimate power plays. Are masses even necessary now that machines handle 70-80% of the work loads? Good thing the Mnra vaccines are sterilizing future generations so the wealthy won’t have a rough time using their drones to hunt down and exterminate the last worthless remnants of the modern masses, those pesky terrorists. And that folks is the cheery side of the street.

American social dems were patriotic tho from FDR to JFK.
After the assassination of JFK, the civil rights movement, the draft, the immigration act and 2nd wave feminism during the 60s, they, particularly west and northeast coast dems, became less patriotic, which incrementally drove a lot of Southerners and some Midwesterners, their ol’ base, away from dems to reps.
Nonetheless dems remained somewhat patriotic, that is until her highness Shillary lost the election.
With the mainstreaming of critical theory, 4th wave feminism/‘me too’, the Russian collusion hoax, the covid hoax and the Antifa-BLM insurrection/‘anti-racism’, it’s clear to me the democratic party as a whole, as well as the neocon faction of the republican party, hate America and want to destroy it.
Meanwhile reps haven’t been this patriotic in some time, in part thanks to DJT.

I can’t say I share your optimism, I think republicanism reached its zenith both in America during the post-ww2 era and around the world, it’s been in decline ever since.
But hey, I hope I’m proven wrong.

By dark age, I meant civilizational collapse and anarchy, which’s not what I think they want.
They want world government, a totalitarian dictatorship/technocracy, and I think they may get some semblance of it for a while in North America and Western Europe before it collapses and much of civilization with it.

I think we’re still necessary, because there’s still so many jobs machines can’t do, but they figure they don’t need 90% of us.
I believe much of civilization will collapse and we’ll have to start over like we had to at least a couple of times before, that neither the libertarians, nor the totalitarians will get what they want in the end.

I think only the pagans and scientists will get what they want. That is to say, Monotheism has revealed itself as a mere historical ploy, as far as religion is concerned a bizarre mistake, a religion that does nothing to produce divine results - a religion that only exists to bind the vast, weak majority of people to a tyrannical and usually irrational regime – at this point monotheism is transmuted into popular socialism. Its essence is the psychology of Messianism - the feeling that, if everything is destroyed and plunged into chaos, a savior must appear.

I mean non Jewish Messianism.

Hebrew Messianism was replaced essentially with Zionism when an Ashkenazi rabbi who may well be my ancestor, proclaimed some centuries ago that it wasn’t necessary to wait for the arrival of the Messiah to start taking back the old land. The existence of the state of Israel basically makes of the collective Jewish efforts to take back their land a “Messiah” - the People have delivered themselves.

If only the Christians were capable of following that example! But for Christians, Deliverance means freedom from the very psyche itself - for Jews it just meant freedom from exile, home-coming. Jews thus as pagans (as well as scientists), as indeed they aren’t actually monotheists. 11 Gods I know of: Ein Soph, Eheieh, YHWH, Elohim (itself a plurality), El, Elohim Gibor, Jehovah Aloah Va Daat, YHWH Tsebaoth, Elohim Tsebaoth, Shaddai El Chai, Adonai.

I used to loathe the Republicans, and feel slightly eerie about the Democrats. It has never occurred to me to respect the American right until DJT, who is of course really very liberal in the sane sense, began to campaign and was hilariously honest about his country. “You think our country is so innocent?”; unimaginable to hear that from the mouth of any previous leader. They all had to keep up the presence that the US was killing out of perfect innocence, a concept invented by Christians. At the same time as being honest about the not-so innocent nature of the US, DJT actually stopped nearly all of the oh so savory sanctimonious killing of foreigners the US had decadently been relishing for so many decades, as the rabbi announced during his inauguration.

I really mean more as a long terms de facto consequence of having exhausted the entropy implicit in the closed systems of globo-fascism, ‘universal monotheism’. All these great systems the autistic technocrats are conceiving of are perfectly impossible and must collapse simply because of how physics, how existence works, in that it cant endure closed systems. So, Im talking about specifically the 1st and 2nd amendments, not about any kind of blueprints for statecraft such as we see in the rest of the constitution. As I conceive possible long term futures, it will simply not be viable to restrict the speech of earthlings nor their capacity to defend themselves in local disputes. I think this realization will eventually be reached no matter the path taken, no matter the degree of destruction. As it is simply the most logical outcome, in the same way that I logically expect water to end up downhill, whatever paths it happens to take.

For me, one of the most interesting things in all this is how liberalism has evolved over the years in America and the ‘Commonwealth’; the British Empire.
Liberalism has come in 3 waves.

The 1st wave or classical liberalism began in 1688 with the Glorious Revolution and 1776 with the American Revolution and lasted till the ascendance of the Labor Party in 1922 and FDR’s New Deal in 1933.
The 2nd wave or social democracy began in 1922 and 1933 and ended with her highness Shillary’s defeat at the hands of DJT in 2016.

In my view, social democracy was at its best from FDR’s new deal to the ascendance of JFK.
Fiscally it was moderate and socially it was still classically liberal, conservative and patriotic.
Somewhat understandably things took a turn for the worse after JFK’s assassination.
This is when liberals began questioning, and trading in some, but not all of their socially liberal, conservative and patriotic values for socially progressive values.
The Commonwealth went through a similar phase.

With the ascendance of Bill Clinton after the Reagan, Thatcher and Mulroney revolution, liberals became more fiscally conservative but remained socially progressive.

Throughout all this, liberals remained moderate, with one foot firmly planted in classical liberalism, conservatism and patriotism, and the other in progressivism, but that all changed in 2016.
Ever since then, liberals, and neocons; fake conservatives, went completely batshit; 4th wave feminism/‘me too’, the Russian collusion hoax, the covid hoax and the Antifa/BLM insurrection.

If the 1st wave of liberalism in the Anglosphere was classical liberalism, the 2nd social democracy, I’d characterize the 3rd as corporate Marxism or woke corporatism, a synthesis of corporatism, Marxism, critical theory, Malthusian environmentalism and germaphobia.
It’s plain to see liberals have been radicalized.

Their new agenda (actually the oligopoly have been at this for over 2 centuries, they’ve gradually taken over liberals and conservatives and replaced them with neolibs and neocons, it’s just DJT took a few steps towards ousting some of the neocons from the republican party, there was no parallel ousting of neolibs from the democratic party, henceforth the democratic party is their new favorite and they’re accelerating their agenda), is agenda 2030, the great reset, the green new deal.
If paleoconservatives don’t reign liberals and neocons in at some point, either that or secession, I believe we will lose our republics before the end of the century.

What is Corporate Marxism?
It’s akin to corporate fascism, corporate fascism’s leftwing counterpart.

In the 20th century, Marxist revolutionaries took over what later came to be known as the 2nd world.
Most of these countries were socioeconomically underdeveloped before the takeover, they weren’t liberal democracies.

Marxism in theory is democratic state socialism, Marxism in practice is autocratic state capitalism.
Contrary to Rousseau’s political theory, there’s no such thing as absolute democracy, without free speech, the right to bear arms, due process, equality before the law, the rule of law, at least some semblance of individual liberty, private property and so on, there can be no democracy, nor equality and fraternity, instead you get guys like Oliver Cromwell, Napoleon Bonaparte, Joseph Stalin and Mao Zedong.

In any case, why would the corporations want to relinquish all their wealth and power to any state, whether it be a ‘democratic state socialist’ or autocratic state capitalist one.
Why would the corporations adopt Marxism, what’s in it for them?
The answer is they’re Marxists in exactly the same way as the pope, bishops and cardinals are Christians or in other words, they’re not really Marxists.
They’re corporatists 1st and foremost, on the inside, Marxists 2nd, on the out.
They’re just using Marx to eliminate their competition.

These’re their aims:

[b]Militarily it’s hawkish, altho it wears the mask of the dove.
Politically it’s autocratic, plutocratic and technocratic, absolutist and authoritarian, altho it wears the mask of liberal democracy.
Fiscally it’s champagne socialism.
In theory it favors progressive taxation, but in practice the overclass pays none of the taxes and big business is underregulated while the upper, middle and working classes pay all the taxes and small businesses are overregulated.
Corporations receive superlative welfare while the poor receive subsistence.

They claim to be fighting ‘misinformation’, ‘climate change’, ‘pandemics’, ‘patriarchy’ and ‘white supremacy’.
In truth they want an increasingly dumbed-down, infertile and sick population totally dependent on pharmaceuticals, divided against and isolated from one another, incapable of thinking for and organizing itself.[/b]

Corporate Marxism is a synthesis of corporatism, Marxism, critical theory, Malthusian environmentalism and germaphobia.
I believe Corporate Marxism will become the preeminent form of totalitarianism in the 21st century.
Left unchecked, I can see it taking over America, and the west, in much the same way Marxism took over Russia, and the east.

Yes. This is an ideal circumstance for them.

=D>

Nicely refined, I like it.

As have conservatives, in reaction.

If I play the devils advocate or the cynic, I wonder if you really ever truly had it - I wonder if the People have at any point been truly prepared to stand their ground.
But, personally, I see plenty of signs that you do have it.

Ive been prognosticating a giant legislative event end 2023-throgh 2024, since 2011, when I developed the notion of self-valuing logic and started looking for interesting nodes in the future, and Ive consistently said that in order for such an event to occur, a social-political crisis of unparalleled degree must be ongoing on Earth by then.

In the aftermath of WW1 and the depression, liberal democracy, especially in continental Europe, was hanging by a thread.
Whereas the Commonwealth and America were making moderate reforms to liberal democracy with the ascendancy of the Labor Party in the former, Teddy Roosevelt’s square deal and FDR’s new deal in the latter, in 1917 Marxists took over Russia and in 1933 anarchists nearly toppled the Spanish government.
That was the far left, as for the far right, the fascists came to power in Italy in 1922 and the Nazis in Germany in 1933.

I mention all that because I believe we’re about to go through a similar era.
History never repeats but often rhymes.
The Thatcher/Reagan era to 2016 was like our gilded age, where some people got filthy rich while many were left in the dust.
People are losing confidence in liberal democracy again.
Increasingly we’re going to see them turn to reformers and revolutionaries, some left of center and others far left, some right of center and others far right.
Many of these reformers and revolutionaries will have ulterior motives, be controlled by special interests.

One of the things that interests me most this time around is how radicalism appears to be coming to America most of all.
Another is how big business and the upper classes are embracing Marxism when historically they embraced either (crony) capitalism or fascism.
If big business and the upper classes overwhelmingly embrace the far left this time around, will the working classes overwhelming embrace the far right?
Will we see upperclass leftwing fascists (socially far left, fiscally far right) square off against working class rightwing communists (socially far right, fiscally far left)?
That’d be one of history’s great ideological reversals.
Another would be if left, and rightwing radicals took over the Commonwealth and America this time around rather than continental Europe and Russia.

Im glad someone made the connection between the Trump movement and grassroot Communism. The name-game distracts very much from the essential conflicts.

America in its design is in part a commune-ism, but with a suprastructure of Enlightenment based Romantic logic.

I think too many labels - and a bit too scrambled and conflated.

He’s coming from different paradigm, from the one that has suffered the most damage; the classicist interpretation of politics in terms of priority hierarchies of virtue and merit.
It still makes sense, but there is an underlying war that is less virtuous and code-like, and more instinctive and fearful/fearsome. Its only now that we are feeling the absence of God, now that the shine of technology has turned dark on us.

Capitalism is becoming increasing crony.
The oligopoly, the ones most responsible for its corruption, are going to try and incrementally replace it with what I’m terming corporate Marxism or leftwing fascism, which’ll appear good to the naïve.
All mainstream academia, media and politics are beholden to the oligopoly.
We oughta turn our backs on the establishment, but who do we turn to?
As our socioeconomies decline, extremists such as anarchists and rightwing communists will offer alternatives.
While constitutional democracy is very far from perfect, I think it’s the most viable system we have to date.
It needs renovation, not demolition.
My suggestion is support competent, grassroots/populist reformers, whether they’re conservatives, libertarians or progressives.
People who don’t take handouts from big business.
People who’re ignored or hated by the establishment.
Preferably 3rd parties, independents and people from working or lower middleclass backgrounds.
Myself I’m a national populist, fiscally center left and socially center right.

This is my favorite thread in SGE right now.

Loving the different angles being explored.

Thanks all for the good reads.

Thanks, G for starting this one up.

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The most powerful and bold way of resisting is simply Thought. This is the true resistance, the actual power that shapes the aeon.
Even the great moguls as well as the deep state must obey Thought.

Thought mobilizes most men, as Marx mobilized them so does sounder thought - and it is the challenge of philosophy, its royal right, as it alone has the might to take it on, to produce an inevitable fortune for mankind as a whole. The founding fathers of the US have produced the foundation for this fortune, their intellect produced the power to sustain a political revolution that overturned and overtook the entire human world. Thought is required again, and it is present, clear and present. Philosophy is very much alive now.

A cool term I heard is “the intellectual dark web”.
It was in reference to Joe Rogan and others, but I think this place qualifies as well.

First destiny sought to destroy (in terms of) whatever was imperfect about it. Now, it must be reformulated so as to withstand whatever it has had to endure so far
and then it will be ready to govern the planet and whatever planets we seek to colonize after weve put this thing in gear.

Everyone does what they can. Be aware of that. People are stupid and dangerous out of not having anything solid in their psyche. People go mad with rage because theyre overwhelmed by the injustice of their puny lives. Try to find solutions for people who are lost in righteous rage, some way for them to click into place with their own capacities. Make people see that, in a sea of unjust chaos, the simple decision to be straightforward and honorable to themselves is as powerful as the creation of a world.

Nobility arent bad to have on your side either. Also military, police, politicians, diplomats, think tanks, - no limits, never imagine that Liberty doesnt like diamonds.

Welcome :slight_smile:

I tend to view history cyclically, altho man, could be progressing in the log run, if he is, it’s at least a gradual, upward spiral, not a straight line.
It’s also possible we could make the world a much worse place to live through nuclear war or meddling with nature.

Marxism has a life span, Russia is no longer communist and FTMP neither is China, but republicanism has a life span too, and civilization as a whole.
The oldest surviving republic I’m aware of is a city state called San Marino in Italy, it’s lasted nearly 2000 years, but most didn’t last longer than Rome, which lasted 500 years.
If the American republic survives this century, at the very least it’s going to have to struggle, plainly America’s elite no longer believe in the constitution, they go to war without declaring it, and both the war on drugs and terror have undermined it in all sorts of ways.
For the elite, both critical theory and scientism come before free speech and freedom in general.
Anyone who challenges the status quo in any way, from DJT to Tulsi Gabbard must be a Russian asset, a traitor.

Civilization itself has already collapsed twice as far as we know, altho some revisionists believe civilization is far older than our history books suggest.
The 1st collapse known as the bronze age collapse and the 2nd the fall of Rome, Persia and many other civilizations in and around the same time.
We are in the age of republicanism right now, I believe this age will be followed by an age of dictatorships, then partial or total collapse.

If there is a way for man to live with himself and his environment sustainably, long term, I don’t believe we thought of it yet.
If history and science are right man is young and civilization, when apes decided to live more like eusocial insects than apes, an infant, it may take us thousands, or even millions of years to perfect this thing, or maybe we never do, and this is as good as it gets.

If civilization collapses, theism, whether monotheism, pantheism, polytheism or something else, will likely make a comeback.
But is humanism not also a religion?
Have we not just exchanged faith in the Gods with faith in man and his scientific and social achievements?

Omg no u guys monitheism’s origins in philosophy and logic was the result of an examination of the logical problems involved in polytheistic systems. Monotheism makes more sense than polytheism even though neither are true. Aristotle, the mad Arabs, Aquinas, Anselm, Leibniz, Spinz (really only Spinz and Aristotle… they pwned everybody)… these guys made a quick history of paganism. In fact we got another irony; to still hold on to paganism even in this age as anything more than a hobby or arbitrary conversation piece, is to be even dumber than the people of ‘the book’. And that should not be possible. I mean go to a baptist church in kentucky, watch those people, and then say ‘i’m even dumber than them’. Duddint sound right, does it?

Monotheism, polytheism, wat dat?
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