Christopher Hitchens is a kook, his brother also spouts insane shit but from a conservative angle…some sort of odd thinking and insanity runs in that family. Its also not the case that generations cant be held accountable to what the previous generations did…that is fine and happens all the time…but its insanity to behave as if you have done the things yourself…if you are a white American, you have nothing to apologise for or feel bad about but that does not mean you must not admit what took place and think about ways to deal with it. If my father raped the neighbors’ daughters…I will not act as if I did it but I might want to show some kind of help and compassion to that family…not because I feel like I raped them but out of normal human compassion and sympathy and a desire to be in good relationships with people around you.
That is as perverse as suggesting the Jews caused the Holocaust. Christianity tries always to take credit for the work of the brave people they murdered, for the fruits of the cultures they ravaged. It’s a heartwrenchingly cruel and barren doctrine. Im not enjoying this expose, I’m always sorry to even try to make Christian’s look critically at their heritage. It’s never going to happen, as “criticism” to a Christian never occurs but after the axiom that christianity is good. That always stands beyond doubt. Which itself is a sure sign of its questionable ethics.
No true religion proclaims itself as the good. It just offers itself as a gift for those who may freely take it up.
I lay little of the blame at Jesus his own feet, much more at the Roman agents wrote the gospels, using him to extend the Caesars rule to the domain of religion. Before Christianity religious freedom was taken for granted everywhere. Still - A charismatic man of enormous claims to entitlement performing magic tricks to get people to give him their souls.
Does this not ring a bell?
Collective responsibility is a normal social reflex, sane, non-autistic humans possess but each man has his own soul and there are no collective souls so there can be no collective sin or guilt, only collective responsibility. Responsibility isn’t the same as guilt. The Germans as a nation are responsible for the Holocaust but they are not guilty of it; guilty is a qualification of being responsible, where there is a reasonable degree of awareness and meditation of what one does and what will follow. The German nation as a whole fuelled the genocidal machine but it can’t be said the whole nation knew it would end up in what ended up happening nor wanted it to be so. My great-grandmother still got half of her front teeth knocked out by an SS-man at 16 though, with which she lived till 91.
As Peterson points out social hierarchy is not only human it’s premammalian. So when an organization claims divine authority for its hierarchy it becomes seriously problematic. Enlightenment critics of the church saw that. Today people are widely critical of traditional institutions. Organized religions are losing members. Social cohesion in general is being stressed. Yeat’s question “can the center hold?” continues to resound in our time.
I agree with your point about collective guilt. Belief in it has led to atrocities including genocide.
Peterson is a quack, Id not listen to him. Humans are just as within the animal kingdom as outside of it. Pointing out to some lobster behavioral characteristics and spinning whole theories about human society and behaviour off this simple fact is insane(reminds me of my step-dad SATIRE and his profound insights). If it were that simple…why not just study lobsters and forget about economics, sociology and so forth??? Put a few million lobsters in a mega-tank and predict the next financial crash…
No Peterson’s point about hierarchy is well taken. Show me where social groups don’t organize themselves that way. Show me where leaders don’t get serotonin power boosts. Show me that primates including humans don’t organize themselves in hierarchical structures. Show me a flat society that works.
felix my friend 
You are talking shit. Not once concrete historical fact, just pulling shit out of your arse and talking as if you are telling everybody that the sun will rise tomorrow. Give me few examples of these great minds that Christians murdered and took credit for???
Oh … I expected some form of intelligent response… you were all needy in my thread for me to come back here.
Hm
What to answer.
to talk to someone who doesn’t even know about the murders of free thinkers committed by Christianity is a bit pointless.
Sure bud. Youve got a great religion. The fact that the dark ages coincided precisely with its reign and ended precisely when muslims brought over remnants of Greek thinking, which the christians destroyed (ah I mean, uhh didn’t destroy) is pure coincidence. Nay - slander!
Seriously I had no idea there still exist literate people who dont know the history of christianity. But I guess to be a christian you must be truly ignorant of the history of your creed.
The rule of scholasticism is known as the longest period without any intellectual advances; over a thousand years, since Aristotle essentially until Bacon.
Still and all, as far as Christianity goes, there is a powerful variant which is the Greek-Russian kind. There’s also the Christianity of the Kabbalists, Gareth Knight, etc. Then there’s Steve Bannon, who is a great warrior and a Christians.
There are a lot of powerful things connected to the religion.
You realise that there is whole of ancient Rome between Aristotle and scholasticism you dumb kook??? The old yank atheistic tripe of nothing between Aristotle and modernity is too fucking old bro…I heard a Jew say it like 50 times.
Sorry but you seem far more ignorant than I had originally figured.
Ancient Rome made no advances in science or philosophy.
Try reading some Francis Bacon maybe. His important text are not available online (naturally, as they’re actually important), you’ll have to read like an actual book. I know thats gonna be really painful for you. But its all I can recommend at this stage.
It’s unfathomable, truly, the degree of your ignorance.
Fucking hell.
Christianity as an institution is merely the continuation of the decadent rule of Caesars.
But why am I giving you facts - you have ignored almost every fact Ive placed in front of you.
Go reread my posts and answer to them with some sincerity if you can muster it. I try to respect Christians a little bit as some of them are among the not so extremely sick on this planet as they tend to mistrust government, which is a healthy thing nowadays, but you make it very hard, you just confirm the impression Ive had of your people since early childhood. Cowards, idiots, hypocrites, illiterates, and arrogant at that.
You do at least know that Bacon is the father of the scientific method, I hope. If we dont count Machiavelli, to whom Bacon expresses some basic indebtedness.
“We have as yet no natural philosophy that is pure. All is tainted and corrupted; in Aristotle’s school by logic; im Plato’s by natural theology; in the second school of Platonists, such as Proclus and others, by mathematics; which ought only to give definitiveness to natural philosophy, not to generate or give it birth. From a natural philosophy pure and unmixed, better things are to be expected.”
- Francis Bacon, The New Organon, Book One, Section 96
lol, Ancient Rome made no advancements scientifically… 
Romans invented the modern world you dullard…infrastructure, governance systems, law, justice philosophies, plumbing, architecture, welfare, concrete…what are you talking about you spook??? are you repeating what I said you dullard??? you red me say Bacon is the father of modern science and now you say it as if I never claimed it you dullard…wtf is wrong with you???
Ok so you have literally no idea what science is.
Entirely befitting for a Christian.
Hopeless.