To recap I need to recycly previously essential stuff that does not flow naturally into itself:
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Sat May 01, 2021 7:35 pm Post
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But not necessarily. Right?
Only inductively at it’s fringes
Is the brain not just a system of inference?
You already know that I will happily consider what you are saying - in fact, I already am.
…I still have to work through each line of thought and distill the complete result
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Mon May 03, 2021 9:57 am Post
I am always looking for holes in the networks of thoughts. Dead nodes, weak connections…etc.
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Is the brain not just a system of inference?
You already know that I will happily consider what you are saying - in fact, I already am.
…I still have to work through each line of thought and distill the complete result
You have me questioning myself Meno and this is a good thing. Luckily I am only side-tracking minorly.
I have discussed with you concepts of narrow thought versus more broad thought bleeding from the brain into the mind. The characterization by the inference that comes from generalization should not be removed unless it is useful to do so from the more narrow field of inference that comes from discrimination produced from particular instances(be they an object in the environment or a synthesized thought(a type of relation to an internal environment)). We assume that the brain does analyze and synthesize in order to determine whether there are correlational influences in the environment. This is a product of more broad bleeding thoughts mixed with narrow bleeding thoughts encapsulated by the concept of inference. Do you see what I mean?
When the attempt to consider all factors emanating from the mind associated with the mind or even the brain is made to wrap the mind up into a simpler concept it is easier to consider each facet individually and look for similarities so that things can be grouped in such a way to create a hierarchy in which the discussion can be performed at the top level or any level underneath. Just so long as the vastness of the mind leads back to the concept of mind then we are on the right track.
If we refer to fringes - physical fringes only come into account minorly but temporal fringes come into account majorly - providing of course we are thinking about the end result of diffusion.
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Mon May 03, 2021 1:03 pm Post
Also Meno…
Something I just wrote:
An individual’s complete knowledge is only partial knowledge of all possible knowledge.
Bringing us back to unknowns as a form of knowledge. Also, that mind depends on knowledge.
An example of a word - When coming across a new word for the first time we discover an unknown, an unknown is a form of knowledge; a new word…and learn a partial knowledge of this word through context and on further reading of the same word in different situations that partial knowledge increases given different contexts. This is not quite the same as being given the definition of the word prior to seeing the word used, however by being given the definition of the word I suggest that only partial knowledge of the word is gained nonetheless.
I have discussed this before - but I can not remember if it was with you. Also, the process of diffusion assures that we only ever have partial knowledge of the word.
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Tue May 04, 2021 11:42 am Post
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Can the question be asked which is primary and which secondary in derivation?
I believe this depends on how we look at it. This depends on what angle we take. Many angles are plausible and possibly arguable at the same time. Are we looking at this as a quandary of causality? Much the same as the chicken or the egg? Or is there possibly another way to look at this? Leaving aside cause and effect we can still easily see both as we would applying causality’s principle. At this point in time, I am working the mind clearly depends on knowledge angle. Sidetracking, it becomes intuitive that mind and knowledge are circular dependencies of each other but to what point? Mind and knowledge without anything else just sit there as concepts. Questions arise, one, for example, being: How do mind and knowledge work together?
Establishing the connection between knowledge and mind is only necessary when contemplating a workable system involving knowledge and mind. Since the brain produces the mind and the brain is made up of many components and knowledge is also made up of many components perhaps we should be asking what is representative of knowledge. There seems to be something missing here. The mind is the representation of the brain so we should think that we need to fill in the gap of what represents knowledge. Does the mind also represent knowledge? Or does the mind only recognize knowledge via the brain? Since we have established that the mind and knowledge alone do nothing then maybe knowledge comes from outside the mind and the brain.
This brings us back to: An unknown is a form of knowledge. I should perhaps demonstrate this using a workable system. We can briefly explore what such a system does with an unresolved entity(in this case an unknown) by introducing the system to an unknown. Is it possible that the system will have any concept involving this unresolved entity? I am confident. We can also explore the difference between that which has been discriminated against and that which has not while we are at it. I will have to get things set up for this but more to come…
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Thu May 06, 2021 9:31 pm Post
The following example is produced from an unknown with no discriminative filter applied…
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this type of mental process is characterized by the combination of good or bad information and evil information
I may as well call this the insanity test. You can probably guess at the information that it is feeding on.
Time for me to rest a while…