Iambiguous: Again, this is what I struggle to grasp about her own understanding of free will.
As I understand a determined universe, he literally could not help himself. In fact, all 98 pages of this thread merely reflects the only possible reality.
And, as I understand free will, polishyouth’s brain has somehow evolved into matter of an entirely different order. Like yours and mine. It is matter that really is able to opt autonomously to post one point of view rather than another.
Peacegirl: Definition is playing games with you again. “To opt autonomously to post” (without force) is not synonymous with opting with free will.
Iambiguous: And, then, given new experiences, new relationships and access to new information, knowledge and ideas he is able to opt freely to change his mind.
Peacegirl: Being able to contemplate gives the illusion of opting freely but that would mean one can opt to choose other than what one chooses. IOW, one could have chosen otherwise. Impossible.
Iambiguous: But points of view here are, given a real deal free will world, more the embodiment of a subjective frame of mind rooted in dasein. Or, in his case, a “condition”.
Peacegirl: A subjective frame of mind rooted in dasein has nothing to do with free will. Neither does a “condition.”
Iambiguous: Whereas in peacegirl’s free will/no free will agglomerated brain/mind above, even though he can’t help himself, some of us are still justified in being disturbed by what he posts; and that getting him banned is the best option. Even though it would seem that we couldn’t help ourselves here either
Peacegirl: Very true.
Iambiguous: Makes no sense to me other than by accepting the fact that nature is just not ready to enlighten me. But that would imply a teleological component in nature. And how on earth can we wrap our minds around that…even though it would only be as nature compelled us.
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Peacegirl: You don’t have to make this whole thing sound mysterious Iambiguous. Nature is not separate from you, which goes back to your confused definition of determinism.