Corona Virus Outbreak from Turd

[Tab]

https://www.amazon.com/5G-Blocker-Bracelet-eco-friendly-stainless/dp/B07TTDQ3SQ

Don't worry, I have protection.

[promethean75]

I'm sorry, gentlemen, but there's no conclusive evidence that 5g is any danger. We do know the radiation it produces is non-ionizing, which means it won't interfere with the chemical bonds of your cells and stuff.

[Tab]

Shh, I just bought a metric tonne of tinfoil to sell to the marks.

[Antithesis]

I've felt my brain being damaged by my computer, never mind my cell, long before anyone told me about radiation from coms and cells.
Mainstream science isn't my be all and end all, it's fallible, it can be manipulated by big business, like it has been countless times before, on record.
It's called corporatized science.
But I don't wear a tinfoil around my head, instead I sit far back from my computer, about 10 feet, zooming in on my bigger than average screen to read from it.
I also don't go on the net on my cell for more than about 10 or 15 minutes at a time, otherwise I get brain haze.
And I'm not the only one.
1000s if not millions of people from all walks of life report similar experiences.
Many have wrote about them on blogs and conducted independent investigations.

[Antithesis]

Tab is the guy who would've laughed at smokers who said they got lung cancer and other illnesses from smoking in the early-mid 20th century had he lived back then.
He'd've said, but the science, bruh.
In hindsight now we know smoking indeed does cause lung cancer and many other illnesses, but the science was being manipulated by the tobacco industry.
It took many decades for the truth to finally come out.
This is just one example of the corruptibility of science among innumerable examples.
I don't want to wait decades or centuries for the science to correct itself, assuming it ever does, I examine and assess all the information available to me I can from multiple sources about a subject, especially my own experience, if applicable.
The sources I find to be more reasonable are the ones I tend to return to.

[Tab]

Bruh, you just have to look at sources and/or who's paid for the science. I googled "5g radiation immune system" and didn't get a single hit from what I'd recognize as a reliable site.

You show me an article from new scientist or nature or something even remotely peer-reviewed and I'll buy faraday bags for my entire family the next day.

Stop believing the internet. Half of it is russians, the other half is porn. There is some crossover there too lol.

[Antithesis]

4 realz bruh.

[tentative]

4 realz bruh.

Antithesis, the only things you can truly know are those experiences in your immediate sensory range. All else relies on second or 12th hand information. You talk about 5G as if you know ALL about it. You don't. You say you experience "radiation" from our electronic devises but there are only about a million other possible causes to your condition. What you have is opinion - opinion that isn't based on peer reviewed fact finding. It is good to be skeptical. It may be that 5G is the devils tool, but perhaps you might want to wait until there is some credible evidence presented. The internet is a damn poor place to hang our hat on. Conspiracy theories are very attractive but they ignore the fact that we are all "in the soup" and rational skepticism is our only saving grace.

[Antithesis]

Bruh you keep doing you, and I'll keep doing me, you be black & white, and I'll be shades of gray.

[Antithesis]

For you there are facts and opinions, for me there are factinions and opfacts.

[Antithesis]

Antithesis, the only things you can truly know are those experiences in your immediate sensory range.

The only things mainstream scientists can truly know are experiences in their immediate sensory range.

All else relies on second or 12th hand information.

Relying on mainstream scientists is relying on second or 12th hand information.

You talk about 5G as if you know ALL about it.

That's not explicit or implicit in anything I said.
I don't know anything.
I've had some experiences suggesting my brain was being harmed by computers and cell phones, before I heard anything about this subject.
Then I went on the internet and found 1000s of blogs and sites corroborating my experiences, further suggesting my brain was being harmed by coms and cells.

You say you experience "radiation" from our electronic devises but there are only about a million other possible causes to your condition.

I noticed I was getting what's known as brain fog.
At first it lasted for an hour or two, then it got worse, lasting for a day or two.
Then I noticed a correlation between it and my computer use.
On the days I didn't go on the computer, I felt fine.
The longer I went on the computer, the worse I felt.

What you have is opinion

"There are no facts, only interpretations".
Friedrich Nietzsche.

- opinion that isn't based on peer reviewed fact finding.

There's nothing special about peer review.
I'm your peer, and you're mine.
I can make observations and conduct experiments, and so can you.
I can publish my findings online, and so you can you.
I can publicly criticize yours, and you mine.

Alternative media does peer review.
Naturopaths have their own universities and do peer review.

It is good to be skeptical. It may be that 5G is the devils tool, but perhaps you might want to wait until there is some credible evidence presented.

I have nothing to lose by taking the precautions I took.
My computer is now further away from me, and I go on my cell less.
This doesn't harm me in any way, and my brain feels a lot better.

The internet is a damn poor place to hang our hat on. Conspiracy theories are very attractive but they ignore the fact that we are all "in the soup" and rational skepticism is our only saving grace.

No it's a great place, provided you take everything people say with a grain of salt.
I have access to millions of people's minds, unique perspectives and experiences from all around the world, which's enriched my mind.
There's far more competition for knowledge and understanding, and that's a good thing, monopolies lead to corruption and complacency.
If there's few or no alternatives to a company or institution, they can more easily get away with peddling bullshit, because there's no one out there criticizing it or offering anything different.

It's beneficial for the public to talk to each other, criticize mainstream science and look into alternatives.
The public has a critical role to play in advancing knowledge.
That you think otherwise, makes you a kind of elitist, a science fascist.

[Antithesis]

Bruh, you just have to look at sources and/or who's paid for the science.

Exactly, big business, gov and elitist think tanks fund much of mainstream science.

Stop believing the internet. Half of it is russians, the other half is porn. There is some crossover there too lol.

And much of our media is funded by big business, gov, the military and elitist think tanks, the richest 0.003% that own 13% of the wealth and resources.
Much of it is self-serving tripe, just as Russia's is.

Our current system is exceedingly corrupt.
Most of it has been designed and redesigned to enrich and empower the 0.003% at the rest of the population's expense.
For decades most've been getting poorer and losing their rights and freedoms.
That you haven't noticed the corruption, the imbalance of power, or that you think mainstream media and science is somehow almost entirely immune, is rather amusing.

I look at what all the media has to say, ours, Russia's, Turkey's, Iran's, mainstream, alternative, and then I look for consistencies and inconsistencies between and within different media outlets, to see what adds up and what doesn't.
And then I put it altogether along with what I already know about history, human nature and the world, and that becomes my worldview.
And that makes me more informed than someone who just watches CNN, MSNBC, Fox, reads the NYT and thinks, that's all there is to know about the world.

[MagsJ]

By the way, class act of you Maia, to let yourself be used by an abuser to insult a third party.

Or Turd is Maia..

Turd’s an abuser? how do I not know these things.. maaaan, I really need to get in with the gossip more.

Perhaps Antithesis is also Turd?

[MagsJ]

Maaan, the virus has reached the Caribbean.. St Lucia to be precise, where my parents are from and my mother and much family live.



A tourist from Russia who was in China 15 days ago was on a boat ride to Soufriere and was feeling sick. Went to Soufriere hospital asking for an Xray. The nurse never asked him any travel history etc. but told him to go to Victoria Hospital. He took a bus with a surgical mask on his face and went to the A&E there, and now no-one is allowed to enter or leave the hospital, but I would hazard a guess that no-one does want to enter the hospital. Darwin awards aren’t us, and neither is tempting fate.

There should be further quarantines, so no excuses necessary.. should have been implemented much sooner/from the beginning, then lives would have been saved, not lost.

The loss of life is indeed a concern, but are you factoring in the economic and social upheaval brought about by quarantines? How much psychological damage is done when you are essentially shunned by society? A potential pandemic disease isn't really the problem. It is the consequences that follow the disease that are the societal issues. At what point is quarantine worse than the disease itself? There may not be a convenient answer, but awareness of the negative consequences of quarantine need to be examined before such decisions to quarantine be implemented. Simplistic answers may suit politicians, but the complexity of the situation may not match those answers.

I think the pros of quarantine definitely outweigh the cons.. is this a trick question, Tent? I didn't know that there was psychological damage in trying to preserve lives, but there sure won’t be any occurring when dead.

The economic and social upheaval is minor, compared to what could be.. should we consider this a trial run for whatever pandemics may come after, that may necessitate complete quarantine and suspension of all free-movement and travel for an undetermined period of time?

The British passengers who were quarantined in Kent, have been given the all clear and are relieved that they did not contract the virus, and are now looking forward to going home to their families.. they have nit complained about being quarantined, but are relieved and happy to be alive.

[tentative]

Maaan, the virus has reached the Caribbean.. St Lucia to be precise, where my parents are from and my mother and much family live.



A tourist from Russia who was in China 15 days ago was on a boat ride to Soufriere and was feeling sick. Went to Soufriere hospital asking for an Xray. The nurse never asked him any travel history etc. but told him to go to Victoria Hospital. He took a bus with a surgical mask on his face and went to the A&E there, and now no-one is allowed to enter or leave the hospital, but I would hazard a guess that no-one does want to enter the hospital. Darwin awards aren’t us, and neither is tempting fate.

There should be further quarantines, so no excuses necessary.. should have been implemented much sooner/from the beginning, then lives would have been saved, not lost.

The loss of life is indeed a concern, but are you factoring in the economic and social upheaval brought about by quarantines? How much psychological damage is done when you are essentially shunned by society? A potential pandemic disease isn't really the problem. It is the consequences that follow the disease that are the societal issues. At what point is quarantine worse than the disease itself? There may not be a convenient answer, but awareness of the negative consequences of quarantine need to be examined before such decisions to quarantine be implemented. Simplistic answers may suit politicians, but the complexity of the situation may not match those answers.

I think the pros of quarantine definitely outweigh the cons.. is this a trick question, Tent? I didn't know that there was psychological damage in trying to preserve lives, but there sure won’t be any occurring when dead.

The economic and social upheaval is minor, compared to what could be.. should we consider this a trial run for whatever pandemics may come after, that may necessitate complete quarantine and suspension of all free-movement and travel for an undetermined period of time?

The British passengers who were quarantined in Kent, have been given the all clear and are relieved that they did not contract the virus, and are now looking forward to going home to their families.. they have nit complained about being quarantined, but are relieved and happy to be alive.

Mags, suppose you are caught in a quarantine but found (after 14 days) to not have the disease. Whew! dodged that bullet! Except that... you find that you have lost your job because the company couldn't afford to wait 14 days without replacing you. No one's fault, just business. Yes, you are alive, but who is going to pay the bills? It could be something as simple as missing a job promotion, or any of a half dozen other life changing happenings all the consequences of a quarantine. These things aren't minor economic & social upheaval events, they are up close and personal. When a factory or any business closes it's operations for the duration is that a minor issue for the workers no longer employed? You mentioned a hospital that no one is allowed in or out. What does that mean for people with medical needs not connected to coronavirus? Where do they go for help?

I'm not suggesting that quarantine not be used at all, but that the "costs" need to be considered carefully. It isn't as simple as a panicky knee-jerk reaction of quarantining everything and everybody. I know. BLAME THE MEDIA! FAKE NEWS! A calm measured
approach based on facts as they come to light seems more appropriate than what we've been watching.

[Antithesis]

Studies show about 1 out of every 5 CEOs is a sociopath.
And I bet 3 of the remaining 4 have sociopathic tendencies.
For contrast, sociopaths make up about 1% of the general population.
For comparison, about 1 out of every 5 prisoners is a sociopath.
So the people running our society are about as moral as jailbirds.
They're white collar criminals, they're just smart enough not to get caught.

[Antithesis]

See no matter where you live, in dictatorships like Russia and China, in illiberal democracies like Poland and Hungary, or in liberal quasi-democracies like ours, you live in an oligarchy, and your press isn't very free.
Yes, some societies may be a little freer than others...and arsenic may kill your faster than strychnine, and serfdom may be preferable to slavery.
Big business and big brother fund and censor the media, they decide what the scoop is.

[Antithesis]

That's why we need alternative academia and media, 3rd parties and independents, that's why we need to criticize and question everything, but even if we were ruled by angels, it'd still be beneficial to think for ourselves, do our own research and make it public, because a handful of corporations and institutions still couldn't possibly cover every meaningful story from every meaningful angle.
There needs to be a dialogue between the public and its institutions, a back and forth, a give and take, more grassroots, less top-down, in academia, politics, media, everything.

[Antithesis]

And quarantining people for this seems pretty ridiculous, the stress of being quarantined could harm people's health as much or more than the virus itself.
Imagine a 90 year old lady being held in a bunker against her will by people wearing hazmat suits and carrying assault rifles.

[Antithesis]

Alright grandma, we're gonna have to hold you here until this whole virus thing blows over, okay?
It's for your own safety and protection.

What about my family, my family?

Half your family are probably dead by now anyway, I wouldn't worry about them.
Alright I need you to calm down now grandma, just chill okay?
Calm, the fuck, down!
Sarg, she ain't calming, what should I do, hit her with the rubber bullets, tase her, or blast her with the sound cannon?

Uhhh, I'm gonna have to recommend the sound cannon.

But Sarg, what if she's deaf?

Just crank that puppy up, I reckon if she's got any hearing in her now, she won't have any left after we turn this bad boy loose, let me tell you.

[Antithesis]

Furthermore, academia has more book smarts, but the people got more common sense street smarts.

Academia can never fully comprehend the plight of common people.

Life is too variable to be fully replicated in theories and controlled experiments, no matter how comprehensive and meticulous.

More reasons why we need more grassroots intellectuals and media.

[Antithesis]

The science, and sociology worshippers of today were the theologian worshippers of yesterday.
The theologians had their consensuses based on what they believed, or said they believed, were hundreds-thousands of arguments logically proving the existence of God, the devil, good, evil, angels, demons, heavens, hells and historical, independent documentation proving the existence of Jesus Christ and the miracles he performed, but you shouldn't trouble yourself with those, because you're a pleb, you're not permitted to read Latin, and even if you were, you wouldn't understand the arguments anyway.

And the church and state made a lot of money off all this.
And there were conspiracies to cover up the holes in their arguments and silence dissent.

What does it matter whether people say they have strictly logical or empirical proof?
They said they had proof then, just as they say they have proof now.
Much of our civilization was built on lies and mistaken ideas, not only about the supernatural, but about humors, bloodletting and so on, then, just as much of our civilization is in all likelihood based on lies and mistaken ideas now.

There are individuals operating both on the margins of the scientific and sociological communities, and outside them, challenging their paradigms, being ignored, ridiculed, slandered, libeled, censored and imprisoned, same as then.
Does that mean we should believe every dissenting voice out there?
No, but nor should we automatically write them off either, only because they're a dissenting voice.

[Antithesis]

I was reading an article the other day about how the Roman Republic, for the most part, was affectively an oligarchy.
And our republics are based on theirs.
A 1000 years from now, if our civilization is still around, in some form or another, or if another civilization manages to emerge from our ashes, they will say we, FTMP, were affectively an oligarchy.
It's much easier for academia to be forthcoming about the corruption that existed eons ago, or that exists on the other side of the world today, because they, and their handlers, have little-nothing invested in them, but much more difficult to be forthcoming about the corruption that exists within our own time and place.

[Antithesis]

Civilization is more sophisticated today, but so are its lies and errors.

Grassroots media is more for and by us, top-down media is more for and by them.

[Maia]

(More from Turd.)

Infection has spread to Qom, Iran. Iran had shut down flights to China but then violated it’s own quarantine measures for days after. It is a desert city very easy to seal off south of Tehran. I’m guessing it wasn’t a matter of selling more carpets and potatoes but some larger military or personnel exchange they absolutely felt they needed in Operation Fuck America, and in turn fucked themselves. A Canadian recently returning from Iran (region visited unknown) has tested positive. Iran lacks 5G, as does Canada.

In South Korea, due to unusual church practices that encouraged extremely prolonged face to face touching in what is being described as a cult, the cities of Daegu and Cheongdo are under quarantine. South Korean Military has tested infected and even people in insane Asylums. The US military maintains a base in the region and statistically by now a few would of returned home for leave by now. The cities of Daegu and Cheongdo do not use 5G, don’t take any Nietzschean bullshit, and have excellent medical facilities.

A plague of locusts have spread over a course of two years from Saudi Arabia into Yemen, and this year made it to East Africa and is eating up all the crops. African nations have been rushing to get pesticide aid in to kill the locust in East Africa before spreading this spring to the rest of Africa. A massive food shortage of a order never before seen is expected to hit Africa, a continent of one billion people. Mass refugee movements north into Europe is expected later in the year, and this all could of been prevented for under $100 million in requested aid to kill the locust now.

This matters in the Corona Crisis as Pakistan has reopened it’s flights to China for no good reason, and it is a essential leaping stone to making it to Ethiopia and reaching the rest of Africa where 1 million Chinese nationals work across the continent. Africa is only now organizing labs able to test for the virus and the tests are expensive with a high error rate, and many countries openly have admitted like The Gambia they can’t even afford to quarantine the handful of Chinese they currently have and are working on the honor system and occasional police checkups and texts. Africa currently does not use 5G networks.

It is important to identify super spreaders and bad behaviors in advance. A super-spreader can be, but not exclusively limited to, someone who acts contrary to medical quarantine due to a Nietzschean competition of valuations going on in their crackheads spreading the disease deceitfully in ways everyone else would know not to do. They will throw down traditional religious ethics on interpersonal contact, much of which developed in response to eras of plague to limit vector of disease opportunities to arise, and declare themselves beyond such mindless concerns and stand for reason and science, and then will act absolutely contrary to reason and science by doing stuff like dressing in Togas taking their gyro Greek style while singing Gangster Paradise, all the while snorting all the drugs in satanic orgies, coughing all over people in the streets afterwards yelling Hail Satan! If you know any individual like this, you should consider them a super carrier and keep them away. Sling shots while not legally recommended can be quite useful in this task. It should be noted while male Nietzscheans often act like Goth Girls, actual Goth Girls are usually safer to be around in a disease transmission sense as they are usually quite introverted and can’t really pull off social contact with others, and viruses have difficulty making contact with their skin due to all that white and black shit they smear all over themselves. So don’t take it out on them, just on the guys who are calling for thug life mores and a revaluation of all values during a epidemic when order and self restraint is called for abs fear and opportunity is rife. Goal is to lay low and let the disease pass by you. You can rob the liquor store and have your delusional drug fueled anal orgies after the plague has passed.

Also another class to consider to avoid: (since some here seem prone to engaging in such discussions with similar people) people only wanting to talk about Dasein to you, non stop requesting to talk to you like a pestering Jehova Witness. They are undoubtedly desperate to talk to anyone about the subject and when you decline and look aaay will howl Objectivist! in your face. They are likely crazed street people who jump wildly in front of people 80-90 times a day demanding to talk about Dasein. That is a lot of time spent breathing in close proximity to strangers and I would recommend avoiding such individuals as they would qualify as super spreaders, by virtue of always talking to people who don’t want to talk to them obsessively.

Some things can be done on your own to reduce the risk of a spread. Try to maintain 8 hours of regular sleep per night, if you work swing shifts within a week even with recovery sleep your immune response drops below half of restful sleepers in creating a sufficient antibiotic response. That’s with recovery sleep- your still screwed. It only returns to normal after three weeks, and Corona can kill in that amount of time.

N95 masks are out of stock in much of the US. Has been for a month and a half, even in small towns. Corona Virus can spread through the eyes, and many wear eye goggles, multiple masks with scarfs over, or cut out big bottles and turn that into masks. Regular face masks for dust or carpentry won’t work.

Also recommend putting honey, kimchi/sourkraut as recommended additions to your quarantine food supply. And remember, electrolyte replenishment is key. Always Remember, Stay in Good Health through Good Mind, and Fuck You Sauwelios.