Phyllo is right, atheists are wrong, another typical day of existence. When are atheists finally going to get their act together? When you define somebody as “impossible” from the premise, then of course god will never exist in the atheist’s mind. Even if god appears before an atheist, the atheist will resist and deny god’s magnificence with all their mental power. The atheist will stick her head in the sand. But of course, god can do anything, and so can convince an atheist to believe in him, if god really wants to.
Nothing is impossible to god. Everything is impossible to an atheist.
K: then where is the evidence? where are the facts for the existence of god/metaphysical?
It is not having a closed mind asking for evidence or asking for facts
P: You wrote that not only is there no evidence, there is also no possibility of evidence.
That’s a closed mind.
K: just mindless statements made to make yourself feel better about yourself. And you know god
is magnificent, how? You know god can do anything, how? I am not sure how I am sticking my head
in the sand when no one person here or in my entire life has given me any, ANY evidence or proof
or even a place to look for god/metaphysical. All I have heard this entire argument is I am wrong,
I have a closed mind, I am childish, I stick my head in the sand and yet, not one person has
offered me anything beyond that. No proof, no facts, no evidence, no suggesting where to look for
god/metaphysical, nothing really beyond insulting me.
Ok, I make this challenge to anyone. Without insulting me, tell me, where are the facts, where
is the proof, where would one look to find god/metaphysical? You say there is a god, now is the time
to put up or shut up. offer up your evidence, your facts, your location for god/metaphysical.
K: I think I was pretty clear. I didn’t stutter, I didn’t put conditional clauses on it.
I didn’t say, maybe, I said if anyone has evidence, facts, location as to god/metaphysical
to say so, or shut the hell up.
K: I think I was pretty clear. I didn’t stutter, I didn’t put conditional clauses on it.
I didn’t say, maybe, I said if anyone has evidence, facts, location as to god/metaphysical
to say so, or shut the hell up.
J: Okay, unconditionally, I have evidence.
Now answer my question.
K: how can anyone say they will believe or not believe without seeing the evidence.
To say, I will believe regardless of the evidence is silly because I can’t know what the evidence
you will present is and so no, I can’t say I will unconditional believe your evidence regardless of what
it is.
I didn’t ask you to believe anything. I asked why you would believe me if I said that I know where the evidence is. By what means do you decide to believe where the evidence might be?
K: and we don’t know. Awesome, one down and a few others to go.
If you know, you would say so and if you don’t you just drag it out into games,
and I don’t do games. So just say so, I don’t know.
It’s almost like you have not been reading the contributions.
Atheism has never been about belief. It was initially a category invented by Theists to hound and persecute people who did NOT believe in the same god as them.
Natural atheists have grown out of 400 years of hopeless arguments about this god or that, or what Theist does and does not involve.
These internecine conflicts between Theists look so stupid that people have just stopped believing.
When you add to that the audacity of the Enlightenment to think for one’s self and to build knowledge from reason and evidence rather than upon Faith, Authority and Belief; The rise of natural atheism is the inevitable consequence.
As an Atheist I reject all belief, that is the aspiration, anyway.
If I am passionate it is only because so many people like yourself misrepresent the situation.
Peter, I have been down this road nearly 40 years as well. Your asking for proof of a god is based on belief not actual facts.You do not believe in a god. Beliefs are tied with emotion tightly. Your adamant statements are defensive and attack.Just as most people’s are. This is emotion. If you feela steady pain for 10 years , you eventually cease to feel the pain even though it is still there. You will occasionally feel it if you think about it.
You may not feel emotional but, it is there in your arguments.
Beliefs are just beliefs but, they make up part of the person and so should be given respect.
K: And James changes the subject. Once again, I ask, is there evidence or proof or facts showing the
existence of god. I simple can’t help you james with your honesty issues… Either you have the evidence or you don’t. I really don’t care about anything else at this point. If you don’t have evidence, don’t respond. Simple isn’t it.
Well, I have seen that conversation yet but, do you not see that asking for rock hard evidence for a deep faith belief is an attack on that person’s core mentality?
Just as when it is demanded to prove there is not a god. Niether side can prove squat. And yet both attack and attack. It is emotional defense and offense. There are better ways to share ideas that conflict.
Kriswest:
Well, I have seen that conversation yet but, do you not see that asking for rock hard evidence for a deep faith belief is an attack on that person’s core mentality?
Just as when it is demanded to prove there is not a god. Niether side can prove squat. And yet both attack and attack. It is emotional defense and offense. There are better ways to share ideas that conflict.
K: The point is atheist don’t need to prove squat. the burden of proof rest with those who claim
X exists. You then have to prove X exists. Now as far as attacking a person’s core mentality,
asking for proof, that what someone believes as fact, is in fact true. I remind you this is a philosophy
site and judgements or statements such as X exists are supposed to be attacked and defended. that is
what philosophy all about, the search for the truth, no matter how convenient or inconvenient
those questions are. If you don’t want to discuss deeply held truths, go to a site like entertainment tonight,
or porn. Stop wasting your time here if you are not interested in finding the truth. I take the search of
philosophy very seriously. I quite often use humor in that search but still wisdom should be the goal
of each and every single one of us. I too am looking for wisdom and my search for god has not ended if
there is any proof or evidence that god exists and so I ask everyone I met, what is the evidence that
the knowledge you have, can be proven? which is another way of saying, where is the proof that god exists?
Take it as an attack or not, I will still pursue this until someone gives me proof or evidence that
god/metaphysical exists.
