Cultural Enrichment

[PavlovianModel146]

Infractions in bold:

@Fent

If you’ve a point to make, then make it. Don’t just post a few random photos then expect the context to be automatically understood.
Get out of your trendy, leftist obscure mindset and connect the relevance of the photos to the thread.
Show me how posting a few photos, whose context remains a mystery, somehow helps to alleviate the problems of multiculturalism?
I know you anarchist, Marxist types think throwing trendy, moralized slogans around makes you so clever, but it does fck all for the people who have to deal with these problems. In fact, intellectual air-heads such as yourself contribute to these problems. Seriously, how does calling someone racist or posting vague pics help cease drive by shootings, how does it stop gangs beating the sht out of people at train stations? It doesn’t. It just avoids the real problems and moves the focus onto the people bringing these issues to light. A devious, scummy tactic; but typical from the anarchist-Marxist garbage that we have come to expect.
One day, when your balls drop and you go through puberty, you’ll see that all that this Marxist rubbish you’ve got in your skull completely fails to deal with any problem on a pragmatic and practical level. You’ll see, hopefully, it’s a stunting philosophy, a retardation; one that has no guide to solving problems that everyday people have to deal with; nor did it ever have any intention to solve problems; it’s just a negating, nihilistic philosophy. A philosophy for the bottom-feeders, the trash, to feel as if their depressive existence could have some sort of meaning.

First Warning, no further action.

[Mr_Reasonable]

Pissing on the streets of 4 places I’ve never been in just a few weeks!

[Moreno]

@Fent

The wonders of multiculturalism

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The wonders of multiculturalism in Australia began when Europeans came and perpetrated a whole set of crimes against the natives. Of course that is always seen as natural and inevitable actions of the good monoculturalism by people who hate multiculturalism. Always this silence on matters that reveals the racism.
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Actually, multiculturalism does’t become a ‘policy’ until the 1970s

You missed the point. Europeans by force and by sending their prisoners created a defacto multiculuralism long before the word was used. But this is never seen as multiculturalism, but it sure was for aboriginals, when they were lucky and could keep some portion of their own culture.

[PavlovianModel146]

To all involved in the Mod Performance Digression aspect of this thread, it has officially been, “Taken outside.”

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[Fent]

@Moreno

@Fent

If you’ve a point to make, then make it. Don’t just post a few random photos then expect the context to be automatically understood.
Get out of your trendy, leftist obscure mindset and connect the relevance of the photos to the thread.

Ad hom, labeling instead of demonstrating.

Show me how posting a few photos, whose context remains a mystery, somehow helps to alleviate the problems of multiculturalism?
I know you anarchist, Marxist types

Confused ad hom. Marxists would tend not to be anarchists. The latter might use marxist analysis as part of a critique, but certainly not for solutions. So this is showed a confused undertanding of what you dislike.

think throwing trendy, moralized slogans around makes you so clever,

Ad hom, contentless.

but it does fck all for the people who have to deal with these problems. In fact, intellectual air-heads such as yourself contribute to these problems. Seriously, how does calling someone racist or posting vague pics help cease drive by shootings, how does it stop gangs beating the sht out of people at train stations? It doesn’t. It just avoids the real problems and moves the focus onto the people bringing these issues to light. A devious, scummy tactic; but typical from the anarchist-Marxist garbage that we have come to expect.

I do notice that Marxists tend to speak in terms of ‘we’ in stead of ‘I’.

One day, when your balls drop and you go through puberty, you’ll see that all that this Marxist rubbish you’ve got in your skull completely fails to deal with any problem on a pragmatic and practical level.

Multiculturalism has little to do with Marxism. Oh, another ad hom.

You’ll see, hopefully, it’s a stunting philosophy, a retardation; one that has no guide to solving problems that everyday people have to deal with; nor did it ever have any intention to solve problems; it’s just a negating, nihilistic philosophy. A philosophy for the bottom-feeders, the trash, to feel as if their depressive existence could have some sort of meaning.

REally strange extreme ad hom.

As far as I can tell this post has almost no content. I believe it means: I disagree. Explain those photos. You have not done this.

There’s more to the post than ad hominem.
I supplied numerous examples on page 1 and 2 of this thread to help support my case. I can supply another few pages of evidence if you like.
Neo-Marxism has everything to do with multiculturalism.
Neo-Marxism comes from the Frankfurt School and their conversion of Marx’s economic theory into cultural terms. Instead of the bourgeois ‘oppressing’ the proletariat, it becomes white, Western people ‘oppressing’ all non white, Western people. The neo-Marxists saw ‘oppression’ everywhere, and it was all the fault, apparently, of the white Westerners. To ‘fix’ this ‘oppression,’ the policy of ‘equality,’ which finds itself in almost every piece of public policy in the West, becomes the buzzword and paradigm of social control. This paves the way for every backward culture to be put on par with modern Western culture. The leftist elites in the upper echelons of government, in their utopian idealism, decided it was a good idea to import people from all corners of the globe regardless of their culture in order to achieve their socialist utopia where everyone can hold hands and all celebrate ‘equality’ and ‘diversity.’ So we have people who still live in a 7th century mindset being brought into a country in a 21st century mindset. People who believe in honour killings and other thuggish behaviour. These cultures are pre-modern; they haven’t been through the post-Christian induced civilizing process that Westerners have, therefore physical violence is still the norm for them.
However, I will add that the ‘free-marketers’ are also responsible. They bring in cheap labour from overseas so big business can attain maximum profit. They have no concern for the social implications of their policies.

This is all just the tip of the iceberg.

If you want to see the most ferocious group who use ‘equality’ and ‘oppression’ as their only paradigm, read about the 3rd wave of feminism.

[Moreno]

@Fent

There’s more to the post than ad hominem.
I supplied numerous examples on page 1 and 2 of this thread to help support my case. I can supply another few pages of evidence if you like.
Neo-Marxism has everything to do with multiculturalism.
Neo-Marxism comes from the Frankfurt School and their conversion of Marx’s economic theory into cultural terms.

neo-marxism, which was not the terms you used in the other post’s insults, is not Marxism and it is a broader category than what came out of the Frankfurt school.

But even if you are correct about their beliefs, someone who is a multiculturalist need have not the slightest bit of Marxism about their beliefs. They could be free market neo cons. Labeling someone a Marxist because they disagree with you about what it means that some Muslim men rape in gangs is very confused thinking, apart from being an implicit or open ad hom. It certainly adds nothing to the discussion. It could be ‘faggot’ or ‘poo poo head’ since it is either being used to falsely assume something about the person or is simply meant as an insult with no real content.

No response by you to the coupling of anarchists with Marxists, which is not necessarily an oxymoron, though it would be to many, likely most, anarchists and Marxists.

Instead of the bourgeois ‘oppressing’ the proletariat, it becomes white, Western people ‘oppressing’ all non white, Western people. The neo-Marxists saw ‘oppression’ everywhere, and it was all the fault, apparently, of the white Westerners. To ‘fix’ this ‘oppression,’ the policy of ‘equality,’ which finds itself in almost every piece of public policy in the West, becomes the buzzword and paradigm of social control. This paves the way for every backward culture to be put on par with modern Western culture.

It seems to me you are assuming that people who disagree with your assertions have a whole system of beliefs that you label neo-marxist, now.

The leftist elites in the upper echelons of government, in their utopian idealism, decided it was a good idea to import people from all corners of the globe regardless of their culture in order to achieve their socialist utopia where everyone can hold hands and all celebrate ‘equality’ and ‘diversity.’

The leftist elites? I am less familiar with Australia, if that is what we are talkign about, but right wingers and everyone in the middle in the US contributed to the idea of bringing people in from the world. In fact this was a part of the US national self-image, give me your poor tired masses, etc. Companies did this. Rich ranchers did this. Sure, lefties and liberals and also conservatives. And also the influx was the nation. This is also true for Australia. For God’s sake the first influx included England shipping its prisoners to a country that was inhabited by another race. Suddenly Australia was multi-culty.

So we have people who still live in a 7th century mindset being brought into a country in a 21st century mindset. People who believe in honour killings and other thuggish behaviour.

Or carpet bombing villages or using depleted uranium or those bombs that break up into little bomblets whose name escapes me right now. Atrocity over distance. and as far as I can tell, in my country, the middle ages are doing just fine already amongst white people in the Midwest. It’s multi-culty amongst whites.

These cultures are pre-modern; they haven’t been through the post-Christian induced civilizing process that Westerners have, therefore physical violence is still the norm for them.

Direct, person himself taking responsibility for the violence, you mean. Instead of violence by proxity and from a distance.

However, I will add that the ‘free-marketers’ are also responsible.

Ah, good. Some overlap between our beliefs.

They bring in cheap labour from overseas so big business can attain maximum profit. They have no concern for the social implications of their policies.

IOW there are white people with a radically different culture than yours and these are not lefties and they have a shitload of power.

Basically someone could disagree with many of your assertions and not be a Marxist, remotely. One could also be critical of the implicit arguements in some of the first posts in this thread and be from anywhere on the political spectrum.

The category you think someone disagreeing with you fits in is, even more importantly, irrelevent.

[Fent]

@Moreno

@Fent

The wonders of multiculturalism

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The wonders of multiculturalism in Australia began when Europeans came and perpetrated a whole set of crimes against the natives. Of course that is always seen as natural and inevitable actions of the good monoculturalism by people who hate multiculturalism. Always this silence on matters that reveals the racism.

You missed the point. Europeans by force and by sending their prisoners created a defacto multiculuralism long before the word was used. But this is never seen as multiculturalism, but it sure was for aboriginals, when they were lucky and could keep some portion of their own culture.

If you want to be technical like that, you can go way, way back and look at the Anglo-Saxons mixing with Celts, Normans, and Vikings. Or, you can keep going back to the point where the first tribes intermingled.
The man difference here is that these intermingling tribes never saw themselves as equal to one another, they fought to protect what they believed to be their identity. The huge turning point comes in the 1960-1970s where the mantra of ‘all cultures are equal’ became popular. Multiculturalism starts here.

The original policy of the British with the Aboriginals was one of assimilation, not multiculturalism. Many Aboriginals rejected British settlement, which they had every right to do. However, those with the strongest military are in most circumstances always going to win. This is the hard fact. If the Aboriginals had more than sticks and boomerangs then history may have turned out differently.
Furthermore, the Christian missionaries at the time saw it as their task to civilize the Aboriginals, that is, to make them Westerners. It could have been a lot worse. If the British and early Australians were brutal, unfeeling people, they could have wiped out the Aboriginals; and it could have easily been done back then when human rights didn’t even exist.

The Aboriginals are able to ‘keep their own culture’ today. There are numerous ‘Aboriginal only’ settlements where they can practice ‘tribal law.’ (Nasty stuff, which includes things like spearing people in the leg; but this is the reality of multiculturalism). The government also funds millions of dollars into helping Aboriginals with their own art, plus education, housing, clothing, food etc.

However, Aboriginals aren’t really the issue here (even though they rate highly on the crime and unemployment statistics).
I fail to see how any of this allows for a policy that allows 3rd world barbarians to beat the crap out of people at train stations, shoot people’s houses up etc.
Often, I hear the claim that ‘the Australians done it to the Aboriginals so the Australians deserve it.’ Such a position is born purely out of hatred and anger.

[Moreno]

I have since added to my previous post.

[Fent]

moreno wrote
But even if you are correct about their beliefs, someone who is a multiculturalist need have not the slightest bit of Marxism about their beliefs. They could be free market neo cons. Labeling someone a Marxist because they disagree with you about what it means that some Muslim men rape in gangs is very confused thinking, apart from being an implicit or open ad hom. It certainly adds nothing to the discussion. It could be ‘faggot’ or ‘poo poo head’ since it is either being used to falsely assume something about the person or is simply meant as an insult with no real content.

Well, yes, many people don’t know the lineage or genealogy of the ideas they sprout. Nevertheless, the acceptance of ‘all cultures are equal’ comes from the neo-Marxists and the followers of Franz Boas.

I won’t comment too much on the rest of your post because it’s too American-centred. The whole ‘give us your poor, tired masses’ was never part of the Australian ethos.

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@Fent

Neo-Marxism has everything to do with multiculturalism.
Neo-Marxism comes from the Frankfurt School and their conversion of Marx’s economic theory into cultural terms. Instead of the bourgeois ‘oppressing’ the proletariat, it becomes white, Western people ‘oppressing’ all non white, Western people. The neo-Marxists saw ‘oppression’ everywhere, and it was all the fault, apparently, of the white Westerners. To ‘fix’ this ‘oppression,’ the policy of ‘equality,’ which finds itself in almost every piece of public policy in the West, becomes the buzzword and paradigm of social control. This paves the way for every backward culture to be put on par with modern Western culture. The leftist elites in the upper echelons of government, in their utopian idealism, decided it was a good idea to import people from all corners of the globe regardless of their culture in order to achieve their socialist utopia where everyone can hold hands and all celebrate ‘equality’ and ‘diversity.’

Which members of the Frankfurt School endorsed this policy, and in which of their texts?

[Fent]

Start with Herbert Marcuse’s A Critique of Pure Tolerance.

[SIATD_v2]

Where in that book does he make the argument to which you refer?

[SIATD_v2]

Tell you what, I’ll even make it easy for you, here’s a link to Marcuse’s essay in the book:

marcuse.org/herbert/pubs/60s … erance.htm

Given that you’ve obviously read this before, otherwise you would not be citing it as an example of the Frankfurt School advancing the policy of mass immigration, it should only take you a matter of minutes to find the specific passages that refer to that. That said, I won’t be holding my breath…

[Fent]

Of course it’s going to be hard to find specific statements for ‘mass immigration’ amongst the Frankfurt School, for that you would have to cite politicians. The point is, though, where do the politicians get their ideas from? They get them from the Academe. Those in the Frankfurt School paved the way for such ideas to become acceptable. Not only the Frankfurt School but people like Gramsci and Franz Boas have also led to such ideas becoming mainstream. The universities are the breeding ground for these ideas and tomorrow’s politicians.

It’s no secret that the ideologues of the 1960s overthrew the ‘old boys’ network who held onto scientific method and a Western centred approach to social issues. The 1960s academics overthrew this with their ‘deconstruction.’ ‘Deconstruction’ swept away the superiority of science and previous ideas of social morality, thus paving the way for relativism which then allows the path for multiculturalism to become a possible policy.

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@Fent

Of course it’s going to be hard to find specific statements for ‘mass immigration’ amongst the Frankfurt School

In other words, ‘this is just some anti-Marxist crap I read somewhere, I’ve never actually read a single text by a Frankfurt School philosopher, and so I cannot back up anything I’ve claimed so far on this thread’.

Wonderful stuff. Game over.

[SIATD_v2]

Sorry, I had to return to this thread to make sure I had read that post correctly. It turns out I had, and it is still hilarious…

[Fent]

@SIATD v2

@Fent

Of course it’s going to be hard to find specific statements for ‘mass immigration’ amongst the Frankfurt School

In other words, ‘this is just some anti-Marxist crap I read somewhere, I’ve never actually read a single text by a Frankfurt School philosopher, and so I cannot back up anything I’ve claimed so far on this thread’.

Wonderful stuff. Game over.

Predictable.

Take out one sentence and ignore the rest of the argument that’s been explained. I’ll explain further; even though it’ll fall on deaf ears, as you’ve already decided that white people having opinions of non-white people is a no no and must be censored.

Cause and effect. All ideas have a genealogy. The Frankfurt School paved the way for multiculturalism. Unless, of course you think ideas pop out of nowhere; that something can come from nothing. I don’t expect you to answer that point, as you’ve proved to be dishonest from the get-go. But that’s typical of the trendy lefty.

Here’s some of the seeds planted in the 1960s.
From Marcuse’s text:

The small and powerless minorities which struggle against the false consciousness and its beneficiaries must be helped: their continued existence is more important than the preservation of abused rights and liberties which grant constitutional powers to those who oppress these minorities

These conditions impose upon the radical minorities a strategy which is in essence a refusal to allow the continuous functioning of allegedly indiscriminate but in fact discriminate tolerance, for example, a strategy of protesting against the alternate matching of a spokesman for the Right (or Center) with one for the Left. Not ‘equal’ but more representation of the Left would be equalization of the prevailing inequality.

it can, under the prevailing conditions of tyranny by the majority, only be won in the sustained effort of radical minorities, willing to break this tyranny and to work for the emergence of a free and sovereign majority - minorities intolerant, militantly intolerant and disobedient to the rules of behavior which tolerate destruction and suppression.

By the same token, those minorities which strive for a change of the whole itself

Comments like these, of which Marcuse’s students lapped up, contribute to the ‘equalization’ of every thing, including cultures on the other side of the planet.

Or how about Susan Sontang, another trendy lefty in academia teaching students wonderful stuff like this:

“The truth is that Mozart, Pascal, Boolean Algebra, Shakespeare, parliamentary government, baroque churches, Newton, the emancipation of women, Kant, Marx, and Ballanchine ballets don’t redeem what this particular civilization has wrought upon the world. The white race is the cancer of human history.”

Susan Sontag, Partisan Review, Winter 1967, p. 57.

Just imagine some academic today teaching students that “The black race is the cancer of human history” (or insert any non-white race for that matter).

In 1972-74 Australia officially adopts multiculturalism via Al Grasby the minister for Immigration, who overthrow the White Australia Policy (which was actually put to an end by the previous Holt government), whereby now almost any one could migrate. The Whitlam government also instituted the Racial Discrimination Act 1975. This has seemingly noble intentions, but such legislation paves the way for violent behaviour for non-whites to be tolerated, because any complaining of such behaviour by whites becomes ‘racism.’

And from that we have things going on today such as this:
Muslims suspected of plotting terrorism yesterday in Melbourne: http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/nation/police-probe-links-to-islamic-centre-after-melbourne-terror-raids/story-e6frg6nf-1226473011258

And on the Holsworthy Army Barracks. Fortunately, these Muslims were caught before they could kill: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holsworthy_Barracks_terror_plot

And here we have these charming Muslims, plotting to blow up the Melbourne Cricket Ground on grand final day which usually has a crowd of around 90,000:

http://www.gtcentre.unsw.edu.au/node/166 http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/terror-group-plot-to-hit-mcg/story-e6frg6of-1111116073582

Cultural enrichment!

[Moreno]

Susan Sontag was part of the Frankfurt school. Live and learn.

anyway, my read of those Marcuse quotes is not multiculturalism - that diverse cultures within a single nation/town etc. is not only not bad but good - but rather focusing on power dynamics between minorities and majorities. Perhaps I missed what was in the wider context or what he was really saying here. But I don’t see him advocating multiculturalism. These could be utterly assimilated minorities that are discriminated against, or?

As far as the muslims intending to blow up…something.

This kind of single event or even list of events argument is very weak. It can easily be countered by examples where non-Muslims played fast and loose with the lives of Muslims. Whoopie shit.

[Fent]

Here’s a parody of multiculturalism.
Watch how all the slogans and feel-good cliques can be turned on the anti-white crowd. Brilliant!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wyQYZ6TUs4c&feature=player_embedded

[Fent]

@Moreno

Susan Sontag was part of the Frankfurt school. Live and learn.

anyway, my read of those Marcuse quotes is not multiculturalism - that diverse cultures within a single nation/town etc. is not only not bad but good - but rather focusing on power dynamics between minorities and majorities. Perhaps I missed what was in the wider context or what he was really saying here. But I don’t see him advocating multiculturalism. These could be utterly assimilated minorities that are discriminated against, or?

You’re right, he’s not arguing for multiculturalism. He’s opening the gates for it though. Granted, it is America and the context is slightly different, but once you put the seed in people’s heads that any opinion of non-whites or non-Western culture is ‘racism’ or whatever other trendy slogan they throw, then you have ensuring social problems. Just check out the crimes of South Western Sydney and what indiscriminate immigration policies can do. I am sure there’s plenty of problems in America like this as well, probably even more so.

As far as the muslims intending to blow up…something.

This kind of single event or even list of events argument is very weak. It can easily be countered by examples where non-Muslims played fast and loose with the lives of Muslims. Whoopie shit.

Yeah, who cares, it’s just a bunch of white Australians being the target.