Is creating false guilt for profit by religions a good moral

[Greatest_I_am]

@Kriswest

Basic morals come from ancient religion, superstition and survival. Take a pack of ignorant humans, you are their leader and barely more knowledgable, how do you desperately control them in a dangerous time? An effective way is to scare them into submission in order to overall protect. This begins morals/ethics. Even though we are more knowledgeable now, we still must observe that in groups we are capable of becoming animalistic. Yelling fire or gun in a crowd, for instance, can and does cause massive stupidity, selfish behavior, survival panic.
Imagine removing beliefs quickly. Absolute proof there is no superior being that gave rules, social rules to follow.
A slow building massive mental social breakdown would occur. Do civil laws, ethics and morals carry enough weight to stop a worldwide shockwave?
We may not need gods and their rules for ourselves but, we may need them still for the masses. Imagine billions worldwide going off the deep end…

Strange that social breakdown does not happen in Godless nations.

In fact, statistics show that the less religious a country is, the less it is likely to war against others.

youtube.com/watch?v=VdtwTeBPYQA

Regards
DL

[phyllo]

In fact, statistics show that the less religious a country is, the less it is likely to war against others.

If you ignore the Soviet Union, China, North Vietnam, North Korea, Kampuchea- well all the officially atheist Communist countries.

then statistically…

And murdering their own citizens doesn’t count either.

[Greatest_I_am]

@phyllo

In fact, statistics show that the less religious a country is, the less it is likely to war against others.

If you ignore the Soviet Union, China, North Vietnam, North Korea, Kampuchea- well all the officially atheist Communist countries.

then statistically…

And murdering their own citizens doesn’t count either.

How many of our own has Canada and the U.S. killed?

Many natives will say many.

My statistics speak for themselves. Do you have better?

Regards
DL

[phyllo]

How many of our own has Canada and the U.S. killed?

You tell me If you are making a claim.

Many natives will say many.

Was it as bad as this? :

The Holodomor (Ukrainian: Голодомор, “Extermination by hunger” or “Hunger-extermination”;[2] derived from морити голодом, “to kill by starvation”[3][4][5]) was a man-made famine in the Ukrainian Soviet Socialist Republic in 1932 and 1933 that killed an estimated 2.5–7.5 million Ukrainians, with millions more counted in demographic estimates.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holodomor

My statistics speak for themselves. Do you have better?

You’re making the claimI saw you video. Sweden is listed as 85% atheist. That’s strange.

At the end of 2012, 67.5% of Swedes belonged to the Church of Sweden (Lutheran); this number has been decreasing by about one percentage point a year for the last two decades
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According to a study by California-based Pitzer college, between 46% and 85% of Swedes do not believe in God.[196] In a Eurostat survey, 23% of Swedish citizens responded that “they believe there is a God”, whereas 53% answered that “they believe there is some sort of spirit or life force” and 23% that “they do not believe there is any sort of spirit, God, or life force”. Sociology professor Phil Zuckerman claims that Swedes, despite a lack of belief in God, commonly question the term atheist, preferring to call themselves Christians while being content with remaining in the Church of Sweden.Other research has shown that religion in Sweden continues to play a role in cultural identity.[198] This is evidenced by the fact that around 70 per cent of adults continue to remain members of the Lutheran Church[199] despite having to pay a church tax; moreover, rates of baptism remain high and church weddings are increasing in Sweden

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sweden#Religion

Okay, let’s pretend that Sweden is 85% atheist and that the traditional religious upbringing plays no part in their peaceful behavior.

Cuba is listed as 89% Christian.

In 2010, the religious affiliation of the country was estimated by the Pew Forum to be 59% Christian (mostly Roman Catholic), 23% unaffiliated, 17% folk religion (such as santería), and the remaining 0.4% consisting of other religions.[222]

Cuba is officially a secular state. Religious freedom increased through the 1980s,[223] with the government amending the constitution in 1992 to drop the state’s characterization as atheistic.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cuba#Religion

Seems pretty fishy to me.

[Greatest_I_am]

^^

Fins say that they are 95% Christian yet only about 4% never go to a church.

youtube.com/watch?v=iV2VjdpVonY

If people did not follow their cultures and customs which include their Gods, maps like the one shown would not exist.

Regards
DL

[phyllo]

Fins say that they are 95% Christian yet only about 4% never go to a church.

Your video showed Finland to be 60% atheist.

So what do your ‘statistics’ actually mean?

Probably not much if you strip away all history and cultural context and you reduce each country to a dominant religion/belief. And the percentage used get that dominant belief is not even a reliable consistent number.

[Greatest_I_am]

Correct.

People like about their religions like no other subject.

You have to read between the lines.

Regards
DL

[phyllo]

Correct.

People like about their religions like no other subject.

You have to read between the lines.

What does that mean???

[Greatest_I_am]

@phyllo

Correct.

People like about their religions like no other subject.

You have to read between the lines.

What does that mean???

Oops.

It should read, ---- People lie about their religions like no other subject.

It means that lying comes easy to the religious as they take lessons from their priests who lie to them constantly.

Regards
DL

[Lev_Muishkin]

According to the CIA “World Factbook” Finland’s religion looks like this:
Lutheran 78.4%, Orthodox 1.1%, other Christian 1.1%, other 0.2%, none 19.2% (2010 est.)

Atheism, in Finland, like most other modern countries is steadily increasing.
WIKI…
According to the most recent Eurobarometer Poll (2010),
33% of Finnish citizens “believe there is a God”. (In 2005, the figure was 41%)
42% “believe there is some sort of spirit or life force”. (In 2005, the figure was 41%)
22% “do not believe there is any sort of spirit, God, or life force”. (In 2005, the figure was 16%)

According to Zuckerman (2005),[13] 28-60% of Finns are agnostics, atheists, or non-believers.

Only 33% believe in “GOD” as such.

[Greatest_I_am]

@Lev Muishkin

According to the CIA “World Factbook” Finland’s religion looks like this:
Lutheran 78.4%, Orthodox 1.1%, other Christian 1.1%, other 0.2%, none 19.2% (2010 est.)

Atheism, in Finland, like most other modern countries is steadily increasing.
WIKI…
According to the most recent Eurobarometer Poll (2010),
33% of Finnish citizens “believe there is a God”. (In 2005, the figure was 41%)
42% “believe there is some sort of spirit or life force”. (In 2005, the figure was 41%)
22% “do not believe there is any sort of spirit, God, or life force”. (In 2005, the figure was 16%)

According to Zuckerman (2005),[13] 28-60% of Finns are agnostics, atheists, or non-believers.

Only 33% believe in “GOD” as such.

Well done.

The tipping point from religious to non-religious as the majority is estimated to be 2050.

I hope it is sooner.

As a religionist that is not my best choice but if the mainstream religions do not change their immoral ways, then they deserve to fail.

Regards
DL

[phyllo]

Well done.

He didn’t do anything but throw more confusion on the fire. So, 75% of Finns believe in a god or a life force or spirit. Who knows what that means?

It’s unclear as I pointed out before.

[Greatest_I_am]

@phyllo

Well done.

He didn’t do anything but throw more confusion on the fire. So, 75% of Finns believe in a god or a life force or spirit. Who knows what that means?

It’s unclear as I pointed out before.

Then get whatever you think is clear.

I am well aware of the lies that so called believers use from personal experience so am quite happy with the stats I have and see here.

Regards
DL

[phyllo]

I am well aware of the lies that so called believers use from personal experience so am quite happy with the stats I have and see here.

I’m sure you are happy because you have ‘stats’ which support your point of view. But if you look at it objectively, those ‘stats’ are meaningless.

Seriously, a range of 28-60% means practically nothing. Combine that with the dozen other numbers that have been spit out about the Finns. What could it possibly mean?

[Greatest_I_am]

@phyllo

I am well aware of the lies that so called believers use from personal experience so am quite happy with the stats I have and see here.

I’m sure you are happy because you have ‘stats’ which support your point of view. But if you look at it objectively, those ‘stats’ are meaningless.

Seriously, a range of 28-60% means practically nothing. Combine that with the dozen other numbers that have been spit out about the Finns. What could it possibly mean?

All that uncertainty adds to what I said for sure.

And I agree that stats, while interesting add little to a moral discussion.

Regards
DL

[Kriswest]

Didn’t any one else notice that the countries listed as most peaceful are historically the most warring countries as well?

[Lev_Muishkin]

@Kriswest

Didn’t any one else notice that the countries listed as most peaceful are historically the most warring countries as well?

Obviously that is a direct contradiction.

Which countries, listed where?

[Lev_Muishkin]

@Greatest I am

@phyllo

I am well aware of the lies that so called believers use from personal experience so am quite happy with the stats I have and see here.

I’m sure you are happy because you have ‘stats’ which support your point of view. But if you look at it objectively, those ‘stats’ are meaningless.

Seriously, a range of 28-60% means practically nothing. Combine that with the dozen other numbers that have been spit out about the Finns. What could it possibly mean?

All that uncertainty adds to what I said for sure.

And I agree that stats, while interesting add little to a moral discussion.

Regards
DL

I disagree.
Statistically the countries now most tending towards atheism, and against religion are the most happy and least warlike.
[NB: Exceptions such as Stalinist Russia, and North Korea, runs their societies like their leaders are gods]
Statistically there are fewer atheists (per capita) in prisons. Atheism scores well for better educated too.
When you ask a question about “false guilt” and what are its affects, you can’t dismiss the evidence where there seem to be differences.

[Greatest_I_am]

@Lev Muishkin

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All that uncertainty adds to what I said for sure.

And I agree that stats, while interesting add little to a moral discussion.

Regards
DL

I disagree.
Statistically the countries now most tending towards atheism, and against religion are the most happy and least warlike.
[NB: Exceptions such as Stalinist Russia, and North Korea, runs their societies like their leaders are gods]
Statistically there are fewer atheists (per capita) in prisons. Atheism scores well for better educated too.
When you ask a question about “false guilt” and what are its affects, you can’t dismiss the evidence where there seem to be differences.
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Point to you.

My comment was directed at the believer stats. My brush was perhaps too wide.

You are correct on some stats having more merit than others.

For instance, it is hard to dismiss the jail stats from the U.S., a Christian country, when they show the highest per capita of people in jail for all the free world.

Regards
DL

[Kriswest]

@Lev Muishkin

@Kriswest

Didn’t any one else notice that the countries listed as most peaceful are historically the most warring countries as well?

Obviously that is a direct contradiction.

Which countries, listed where?

The video GIA provided.
Japan and Finland for instance. Both notorious for wars and their people being violent. Piss a Finn off, man or woman, they can go ballistic.