Religion is a lie ridden waste of time.

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Hey Fabiano,

Whats up? You post seems like you are kind of pissed, let me know if I’m wrong. I never claimed to know anything about philosophy, yet your answers imply that I’m a guru and I’m proving you wrong. For example all of your answers are not answers but commands, Do That, read This etc… I joined this board to learn not to pretend I’m a know all who can out do experienced long bearded gurus.

Calm down and lets learn together :slight_smile:

What book do you recommend that I read to learn about Darwin, have you read one yourself, if so which one is best etc… Constructive comments are better than commands, don’t you think?

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^If you read even part of my Demiprism then I would be thankful. =)

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Darwin
Darwn^
At wikipedia you can look up any subject you want and get info about it.

With the internet, you have the power to make fully informed and supported statements – because you can research all about what ever subject that you are expressing your views on.

Fabiano feels strongly about his opinions, I bet. Some people bring attitude to the table; they sound pissed but they aren’t really.

If you ever find something that strikes you as interesting or special, please send me a PM about it. I want you to find true happiness in your life. :sunglasses:

Peace out~

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Free Thinker,

there aren’t commands in my posts. I have just suggested you to read one of Darwin’s biographies, so that you can find out for yourself that he was really an agnostic, at least by the end of his life.

And I am so interested in learning the truth as you (if this word does have a sense), but since freedom is my main concern, I don’t like to impose my opinions on anyone, so as long as the religious people live me in peace (what they aren’t inclined to do most of the time, of course), I live them in peace too.

I’m not religious in any sense of this word. I also find fanaticism, intolerance and those sets of “dos” and “don’ts” abominable and dangerous to a healthy mind, so I keep away from religion. But I haven’t the right to tell people to do the same, since I am to respect their choices as they have to respect mine (if they’re reasonable, at least).

Dan,

mmmm…thanks. I think we can come into terms regarding some of your opinions, but this extreme anti-religionism seems to me a bit…childish.

When you talk about religion, you’re not only talking about Christianity, fanatics, bigotry, close-mindedness, Inquisistion, “creationism” and sets of dos and don’ts. You are also talking about one of the main concerns of human life, of most human beings at least: the meaning and purpose of human life.

You may find mere Christianity foolish, but this religion gives comfort and peace to most people who aren’t able to enjoy life like you do, mos people who haven’t anything but their faith.

The same applies to Muslims.

More, when you try to say that all religions are dangerous and a “waste” of time, you forget that many religions give science and education all the support they need. You also forget religions like Bouddhism, for instance. Do you think anything we can create can even be compared to the profoundity and beauty of Bouddhism?

You think that you can disprove a faith by using reason, but that’s a bit naïve, since religionists claim that their faith is something which is beyone mere reason, although many oth them claim that the existence of god can be proved with mere reason. That’s controversial and yet not so stupid as it may seem. Read Kant and Leibniz for instance.

Again, Dan, the sole purpose of those messages of mine was to show you that things are not so simple and easy as you may think they are. People need religion. People need to believe in something, as you do. You do believe science can make our lives more confortable and pleasant, but you are utterly incapable of proving that it can offer us a purpose. You may argue: Of course it can’t give us a purpose, it can only be used as a tool to find out the truth!. But since science isn’t based upon the premise that everything has an absolute meaning, that the universe is not there by chance, that its intelligibity has some meaning, how can we ever be able to find out any kind of truth? I don’t mean facts such as Evolution, sexual instincts and the natural need to eat and drink, for instance. I mean a sort of truth which could really be applied to all human beings, to all times, and which could really make us live meaningful lives, what is really not the case with the handy “truths” we have.

Think about it.

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…big dreams… they feel lost… reaching out…
It’s a hell-of-a-shame that people have to twist and turn in so many directions, searching for an answer and a solution, and their all dead now.

Meaning, to me, is the depth of understanding, the width of application, the height of relativitiy as we build all knowlage into a structure in our futures, but…
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…I’m just so tired of people turning to things other then their fellow humans. I don’t like it when people have to pray to some sort of silant empty god instead of people able to talk about their inner most thoughts and feelings with a true friend…
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I’m tired of false enlightenment and people getting all high after becoming demon-possessed. I’m tired of over half of all human minds on earth believing in twisted crap…
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No! You haven’t been posessed before. You wouldn’t understand.

Protection gimmicks at prisons are a perfect example of modern religion. The protection gimmick in prison is the one asking for you to pay him for protection, when he is actually on the same side as the one he claims to be protecting others from. All for the sake of a parasitic gain.

The same is true with religion. New-age religions do very well in combining all sorts of occult and supernatural ideas from all sorts of religions, and it all leads back to the same source. The demons.

Damnit… I’m out of steam. Explanation is far too monotonous and nobody looks for anything other then faults anyways here. Screw it.

You’re all a bunch of pre-gutted sheep.

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That’s the question, my comrade. You can’t affirm that we are all a bunch of pre-gutted sheep just because we don’t agree with you. And as far as I can remember, I wasn’t defending religion, I was just saying that you should respect the points of view of religious people, since you want them to respect yours.

Again, I despise fundamentalism and fanaticism exactly as you do.

Pre-gutted sheep? What abou a world where people are treated as nothing more than shit, thanks to a wonderfully reasonable materialistic point of view?

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Instead, people should buy things, have sex with prostitutes and watch sport. Oh, and they should also give up seriously thinking: that, too, is a waste of time. :astonished:

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true dan, I think religion is also a quick fix problem, but not all people use religion as a quick fix problem, some use it as an “aid” to life. not all religions people are “drones.” Some of them are intelligent, and may have a larger immagination than some of us, and may exercise their “possibility scale” differently than us.

the subject of this thread is, “Religion is a lie ridden waste of time.”
-No dan, you wrote it wrong, “Religion is a lie ridden waste of time- for me”
I don’t dable much in religion, but my mom has to have it to survive. She has to have her mormon community doze every day, she is miserable without it. She acts crazy when she doesn’t get it, (and sometimes crazy with it.) But she has to have it, it is not a waste of time for her, it is her life. It is a waste of time for you and me, but it is not “a waste of time-period”

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That’s exactly what I was trying to tell Danny.

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no, truth and logic are not absolute. Truth and logic are relative to our own frame of reference. Addition is to most people some sort of hard truth. But remember, that many things cannot be “measured” very well and thus cannot apply addition to it and produce a reduction answer. How can you control all the factors that play into social sciences for example and come up with unbiased “answers?” Thousands (and more) of factors play into each possible situation you look at.

You can’t measure perfectly many things, one of them is the existence of the earth, you can’t fit it into any perfect number. (no delorian time machine exists, you can’t travel back in time, that is why there is rounded numbers to ‘estimate’ the age of the earth. Scientist consider many variables, but it is impossible to take them all into account, (maybe less than even half are considered, if not way less) therefore math plays a role here, but not an absolute role because perfect information does not exists. to bad time machines don’t exist huh?

I could ramble on here. But my point is Dan, that if you think about it, I think you might agree that you can’t apply addition to everything, b/c the world does not exist in perfect numbers. You would be dealing with 1.98938747484897987947925794875 + 1. 9852734958729769 = something instead of 1+1=2, but in social sciences and ideas, you can’t always measure thought, ok. Be ok with the mystery and uncertainty Dan, you can only theorize the best possible, but perfect truth and logic I think is out of the hands of all of us. We theorize, and some people prefer science to explain the world, some religion, possibly b/c they seek an easier lifestyle mentally, (and yes I completely agree, it can also hurt them, but so can dogmatic science.)

fact is real and exists- yes dan, kind of. but again, since we have no time machine, we go off of means of experience like you said, but that means that in time, what was fact, later becomes obsolete with new information from a strictly scientific stance.

an example of this is “the history of chemistry.” (I took this class in college, and it is actually an easy upper credit if someone need that :wink: , but it is a really interesting class) Chemistry is the foundation for many sciences. But remember, this field is always taking what is believed fact, and it is being changed all the time. Fact does not exist here, only speculation, but believed fact does exist.

I am against zealots as much as you are, maybe more. I’ve been around them all my life and see how desctructive it can be, but I am not willing to flip the coin around and zealously empose science on everyone. And also real life is not a coin with two sides. I think we both agree on at least this.

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heh, Dan you are an odd character I must say. Burn churhces heh. In my personal opinion, every religion on earth is wrong of course. I do believe in Jesus and am a Christian of sorts, but I feel that whatever message he may have given humanity is most certainly dead by now only carried on in fragment. I believe that ultimate truth is important to our existence, even if an impossibility. Part of that ultimate truth is the acceptance of higher forces that humanity cannot comprehend nor contend with. I accept that there is a God because E=mc^2, all energy is matter, matter is everything, energy cannot be created nor destroyed, therefore where did it come from? It cannot be randomly assigned to exist because you can’t create it. There’s the possibility that all life is is a simulation run by other beings thats so highly complicated we feel we are alive when we are just pograms (sorta like the matrix, a lot like the 13th floor heh). At any rate, the utter destruction of religious feeling isnt a good answer. People are stupid. It’s a fact of life. Even with the urgency of hell as religion portrays, they do what they want, when they want, how they want. I believe that religion itself is Babylon the Great as said in the bible. People become less attached to God as they become more attached to their religion. Another problem with people is they forget about everybody else when they’re supposed to love them. I think we should all try to make everyone’s life easy and “fun” while its going on, God or not. As far as parasitic control, like i said, people are stupid. If the parasites don’t do it, other people will. That’s saying if its true at all. mostly, i think the only way to making a better world is for people to stop playing their stupid game of survival and competition and start just being good people regardless. Politicians playing games with war, Osama playing games with religion, people playing along right into it all. I was asking a friend once, if they believed that brainwashing was bad. Then we asked if they felt brainwashing was bad if it was in a good way. They said it’d be better that way. So i decided if I can’t reason with people to make them less ignorant and “bad,” why hell, I’ll just brainwash them. Ill just have to be careful not to abuse my authority with those that are brainwashable. Of course we prefer getting them to realize it themselves, but whatever. We’re starting to ramble about nothing again. I need to invest in more than 5 hours of sleep tonight. Good day to you all.