How say you aviemus ?
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I dunno. Adlerian seems to think I am Sane.I certainly don’t have to escape into fantasies of brotherhood and egalitarianism and other such junk idealism to get through my days.
If you feel like you want to spend your life pushing a boulder up a mountain, feel free. I see past such foolishness.
Yes, I will agree that the argument you have presented is completely lacking in substance…or…bullshit if you will.
To give us a clearer idea of the point your trying to make , tell us a little about the things you do which you consider Indulgences/pleasures , those that may otherwise be seen traditionally as things to abstain from .
For example do you smoke & drink heavily because you enjoy it despite the risks ?
How come ?
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Boy, you sure are asking a lot of personal questions lately. You building a psyche profile for the FBI or something?
But lets see…indulgences that would be seen as things to abstain from…
That’s a pretty loaded question. It matters not what is ‘traditional’ only what the individual enjoys. I myself don’t drink or do ‘drugs’. I do smoke the ocasional reefer. Most of the things I enjoy are perfectly legal.
I just wondered what your point was , but you seem quite sensible , I thought perhaps you were going to say you lived a wild life of extreme indulgences , but thats very normal I,d say , nothing illegal , no drink no drugs . In fact you seem quite religious . Which i,ve nothing against , I think all religions have an element of goodness in them .
You said ;
Are you speaking generally here for all people and saying there are specific things which should not be denied ?
You say ;
Which type of life would someone be living for you to say that they were denying their carnal instincts ? For example a woman who has remained chaste for a few years , awaiting the the right man to give herself to , is she wasting her time ?
And , is a celibate monk wasting his time do you think ?
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This is not on the level.
I’ll answer your bloody questions; but I can’t quote any of them, or I would be leaving others unquoted, therefore I would be sitting here all night individually talking to each of you…
Alright. Here are some scenarios for those of you who are still clueless.
#1: There are three pieces of pizza left. No one else wants any. You are full, but want to eat more anyway. You eat the three pieces of pizza that are left. Why? Because you can.
#2: You’re cousin is a hot babe. She’s a little drunk, but is determined to have sex with you. You have a condom. You have sex with your hot cousin. Why? Because you can. It is indulging.
#3: You have a knife in your pocket, and realize that you have just walked past your enemy’s car. No one is around in the parking lot. It is night. You flatten your enemy’s tires with a knife.
Why? Because you can. Why? Because you are human, and you are able to. Why? I dunno. It DOESN’T MATTER!
alright. The above post were the scenarios that a Satanist would carry out. Now lets look at the other end of the scale.
#1: “No, I am alright. I don’t need those pieces of pizza”
#2: “Yes, you are hot. But having sex with you just wouldn’t be right”
#3: “Naw, slitting his tires wouldn’t be the right thing to do”
I call myself a Satanist, not because I want a title, not because I NEED a title, but because it best fits me. If something is too limiting with the title, I just attribute my own beliefs to it.
No sweat off my sack.
What about incest , a relationship between brother and sister etc , do you think that would be ok ? Where is the line drawn for you ?
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I think that was covered with the ‘hot cousin’ thing.
Do you think incest is ok ?
Did you forget to answer my questions from the last page ?
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Another take could be Your enemy finds out its you who flattened his tyres , he sees you in the street one night , and he and his two friends batter your head in with an iron club . Why ? because he can .
Or someone kills one of your family , why ? frustration , indulging in anger , because he can . It does,nt matter !
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Disciple of Light,
it looks to me like your just someone who wants to get their post-count up, so they post several things in order. You wanted three instead of just one, huh?
Dr. Satanical can help me explain this. I never promised to answer a bunce fo questions anyway, I just stated an idea.
Let me just close my post in saying that if an act doesn’t do needless harm to someone for no apparent reason, then it is most likely plausible.
There is no sense at forcing incest on someone. And there is no sense in bashing someone’s brains in unless you have a good reason. Where sense and logic is, Satanism is.
EDIT: I can understand two posts in a row, since I did the same with mine near the top of this page. But I only did so because I wanted to seperate the ideas from right/left, so it wouldn’t confuse people.
Your third post with the hammer is completely uneccesary.
“HOIST”
But you do really , for example some dont have any title , they keep religious preferences to themselves , do not have a definable stance . Yet they are knowledgable on all religions , all spiritual paths as well the sciences , and are practical in everyday life .
These are the folk who truly dont need any title . Titles are no good for them because a title cannot convey all that they are , it would be limited . They cannot be defined , those with titles can
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So figure out who I am, and slash my tires or something. Who cares what you like?
So you say. So in examples you give above, why have sex with your drunk cousin? Why not your [i]sister[/i]? Why slash your enemies tires- what's wrong with his throat? I guess I'm wondering why the situations in question were so, well,[i] tame[/i]? Disciple of light already brought this up, and I think it's a good question.
Well, if your position is that people should do whatever occurs to them without thinking, then there's no argument for or against that, since thinking things through would be a part of the process. The problem I have, is that people who make the claims you make end up such hypocrites, most of the time. What I mean is, you [i]say[/i] people should do whatever they want, but in practice, you have your magical little reasons (not moral reasons, by God!) why you don't steal, murder, lie, rape, or take hard drugs. In other words, all the hedonistic "Do what you want" types always end up being good little liberals or good little conservatives no matter how much lip service they pay to 'do what you feel'.
Are you a mobster, aviemus? A serial killer? Do you work for a notorious drug cartel? Hell, are you even a porn star? If none of these apply to you, I doubt your dedication to the (anti)values you put forward.
good rebuttal uccisore.
The do whatever you feel like crowd still has morals.
They play up the whole:
“if your drunk cousin/sister is hot and wants to have sex with you, you should!”
The instant disqualifier for me is two fold;
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you’d be taking advantage of her when she was inebriated. While you may not have a problem with that, you would have a problem if someone took advantage of you while you were inebriated and did something to you against your will.
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Incest is immoral for the same reason. If you had kids, you wouldn’t want them sleeping with each other or with their cousins.
“If you see your enemies car, and have a knife in your pocket, you should slash their tires”
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revenge is a never ending cycle. You slash their tires, they slash your tires and key your car, you steal their car and drive it over a cliff, they have your car repossessed and turned into a 3’ by 3’ cube. If you don’t mind the endless cycle of hate and revenge your propagating by all means… do what feels good in the short term. Tomorrow when your car is at the junk yard and in a cube, you’ll just be pissed off again and looking for a new way to get back at that person.
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It again falls under, “would I like it if someone took this action against me?”
scythekain
Even then, I suppose I wouldn't fault them. What really blows the whole deal is that there [i]really are [/i]people like what they merely claim to be. Think about it- if morals were of no concern to you, if they [i]really[/i] didn't restrict you, you could be much more wealthy, respected, and sexually satisfied than you are. [i]Provided[/i] that you're clever enough, or tough enough. Examples abound- dictators, criminals, so on and so forth. Someone who claims that 'the system' is for the weak, and yet still more or less lives within the system, what does that say about them?