White European preservation policies

[phyllo]

Immigrants do change the laws and customs of society. They already have. But a mere numerical majority is not enough to change america to the extent that is being stated here. Power is vested a lot of other places than at a small town ballot box. If you want things to change less, the first thing you need to do is to take a hard look at the way things work.

Would you care to get a bit more specific?

[phyllo]

How about these changes to society :

Last year, two activists appeared in front of Richmond City Council with a 1,000-signature petition and a plea to force local businesses to advertise in one of Canada’s official languages.

“We, the new visible minorities, are experiencing exclusion,” said resident Ann Merdinyan, in front of a slideshow of the city’s Chinese-only signs. “WHY?” read the caption below a photo of a Chinese-only bus ad. “Is this INCLUSIVE TO ALL?” read another.

Richmond’s mayor and councillors — most of them English-speaking white people — told the activists to take a hike.

“With a population of half our people or more being of Chinese origin you can’t be surprised you’ll see some Chinese language,” Mayor Malcolm Brodie, mayor of the Vancouver suburb that is Canada’s only majority-Chinese city.

We, the new visible minorities, are experiencing exclusion

Eighteen months later, something has changed. In a unanimous decision last week, Richmond reversed its earlier stance by directing its lawyers to figure out whether it could legally start cracking down on Chinese-only signs.

“I changed my mind,” said Evelina Halsey-Brandt, the soon-to-be-retired councillor who introduced the motion. “It is time to take a look at whether or not it is appropriate to mandate the inclusion of English on [certain types] of signage.”

More than 30 years after Quebec started cracking down on non-French languages, the rest of Canada has almost entirely steered clear of the pitfalls of policing the language of private enterprise. But now, with an election on the horizon, Richmond is flirting with becoming the first place in Canada where English will be mandatory.

For years, the public campaign to ban Richmond’s Chinese-only signs was largely a one-woman show.

Lifelong Richmondite Kerry Starchuk took the issue to every politician and media outlet she could find before assembling the petition that made its way to city council last year.

“I want my community back … it’s very difficult when you can’t read the signs and communicate,” she told Postmedia News last year.

With only weeks until her political retirement, Ms. Halsey-Brandt is part of a Richmond political dynasty of sorts. Her husband Greg served 11 years as the city’s mayor and another four years as the MLA for Richmond Centre, and his ex-wife was also a longtime city councillor.

Although Ms. Halsey-Brandt said she has no desire to tell shopkeepers what to do, she had second thoughts on the signage issue when she came across an all-Chinese sign pitched on the front yard of a development in progress.
“You put up an information sign in a neighbourhood that only passes information to the Chinese-reading population, that tells me something is wrong with what we’re doing and we need to re-evaluate it,” she said.

Among the candidates gunning for a council seat in the Nov. 15 election, several contacted by the National Post also expressed worry at what they saw as an “unwelcoming environment” of Chinese-only signs.

“I firmly believe that Chinese-only signs only serve to exclude the rest of the community and this is very un-Canadian,” said independent candidate Janos Bergman in an email.

Henry Yao, a Chinese-Canadian independent candidate, said he is supportive of a “well-redeveloped regulation” for Richmond signage, in part because it would end the ”racism, discrimination, and anger” spurred by the sign debate.

Nobody will dispute that the number of Chinese-only signs in Richmond is increasing, but the vast majority still feature English text.

“There aren’t really that many signs that are Chinese-only in the city overall,” said Judy Chern, a lifelong Richmondite with a passing understanding of Chinese characters.

She noted that the city’s Chinese signs are largely placed on businesses that are uniquely targeted to Chinese clients: Chinese apothecaries, Chinese-language DVD stores and purveyors of feng shui products.
“I don’t think they’re purposely trying to exclude anyone. I’m a second-generation Taiwanese-Canadian and I don’t use these services either,” she said.

Last year, city councillor Bill McNulty conducted an informal survey of the city’s signage. He found only about half a dozen that were exclusively Chinese.

The Richmond Chamber of Commerce, for its part, has maintained that the city’s sign issue is best left to free enterprise: If local businesses want to exclude the nearly two million Metro Vancouverites who cannot read Chinese, that’s their prerogative.

I’m a second-generation Taiwanese-Canadian and I don’t use these services either

“We’ve always had the same position on this … we don’t feel a bylaw is the right answer,” said Gerard Edwards, chair of the Richmond Chamber of Commerce.

It is a view echoed by the Canadian Federation of Independent Businesses. “The market can correct itself pretty fast on this type of thing,” said Dan Kelly, the group’s CEO.

This has been the case at Richmond’s Aberdeen Centre, a prominent Richmond mall that is a hub of Asian stores and eateries. To keep the clientele base as large as possible, though, the mall strictly mandates that all signage be at least two thirds English.

“I trust the entrepreneur to know what is in the best interest of their business,” said Mr. Kelly. He warned that language laws — however well intentioned — “are regularly taken to their ludicrous extremes.”
For Western Canadians, the “ludicrous extreme” is the strict language laws in Quebec, where Irish pubs have been asked to take down vintage Guinness signs, not to mention last year’s fiasco when the Office québécois de la langue française wrote up an Italian restaurant for using the word “pasta.”

“Legislation doesn’t always bring out the best in people,” said Sylvia Martin-Laforge, director-general of the Quebec Community Groups Network, the province’s chief advocate for the English language.

“Don’t start with legislation,” she advised the people of Richmond. “It could be a community effort to work together, rather than making it coercive.”

This was the tack taken by Moncton, N.B., which is about two-thirds anglophone and one third francophone. Four years ago, the city turned down a citizen’s request to force shopkeepers to adopt bilingual signage, and instead implemented a cheery program to encourage it voluntarily.

This is about self-segregation: Many people who come to Richmond decide that they don’t want to integrate

“Bilingual commercial signage: It makes good business sense!” reads a City of Moncton brochure.

A Moncton suburb, Dieppe, went the mandatory route in 2010, demanding French be predominant on nearly all new signage. Pattison Outdoor Group, which was soon convicted of violating the law, ultimately removed one of its signs in Dieppe, citing the law’s costs to clients.

Last week, Richmond council candidate Carol Day and Michael Wolfe issued a statement saying they would address Chinese-only signage if elected, and pursue “potential steps to address the issue.”

But Ms. Day opposes a bylaw, preferring to follow a Moncton-style route of gentle encouragement: Monetary incentives, city-funded workshops, maybe even a dedicated city translator going door to door helping business owners draw up coherent English language signage.

“This is about self-segregation: Many people who come to Richmond decide that they don’t want to integrate. I believe that they’re cheating themselves out of a much more enriched life,” said Ms. Day, who is herself a signmaker.

But, she added: “You can’t force this on people.”

nationalpost.com/news/politics/r … rtisements

[Alf]

@James S Saint

@Carleas

Here’s an idea: demographic changes in the proportion of humanity of various races is driven in large part by birth rates, which have fallen in the (mostly white) first world and remained high in the (mostly non-white) developing world. There is strong evidence from Europe and the US that birth rates for a given population fall as wealth rises. So if we want to equalize birth rates, and thus slow the current demographic trends, all we have to do is raise the average wealth among non-whites to the level of wealth among whites, by helping the developing world and reducing racial inequality domestically.

Turns out equality, redistribution, and social justice are the best ways to preserve whites (with the added benefit that once you get on board with those, the only group you really care about preserving is humanity).

Yeah right. Just MAKE EVERYONE RICH, then they will forget all about the propaganda to hate whites. Sounds like PK.

Make everyone rich, yes. And how? By making everyone poor, yes.

Don’t ( ) forget to pay off your debts.

[WendyDarling]

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dBaTVwIJH-E[/youtube]
Muslims stoning Christians in Dearborn Michigan

It’s all made up contrived nonsense right Faust?

After host Tony Perkins warned that Muslim-Americans are “not assimilating into the broader American culture” and instead seek to establish “closed communities” in states like Minnesota and Michigan, Boykin insisted that it has gotten so bad that the police now refuse to go into Dearborn, Michigan, except for in cases of emergency.

“Talk to the police in Dearborn, talk to the police in Detroit, and ask them how often they go into Dearborn and the reality is it’s more on an emergency basis than it is for any kind of routine police activities there,” Boykin said. “We have the same problem here, by not assimilating these people, we are creating the same kind of situation that France and Britain and much of Europe has.” rightwingwatch.org/post/jerr … opulation/

But this month, voters in Hamtramck elected what is believed to be the first majority Muslim city council in the US.

The vote reflects changing - and remarkably diverse - demographics in the small city of 22,000 that is physically surrounded by Detroit. Estimates suggest as much as 60% of Hamtramck’s population is comprised of Muslims, and the city is said to have over a half-dozen mosques. In comparison, today, roughly 11-12% of the city’s population is Polish, down from as much as 90% in the 1970s, said Ted Radzilowski, president of the the Piast Institute, a national research center for Polish affairs.

Dawud Walid, executive director of the Council on American-Islamic Relations’ Michigan chapter, said: “What I think: it’s a sign that Muslims are more engaged in the political process, not that America has become less Islamophobic … There have been some demographic realities in Hamtramck, as well as Dearborn, Michigan, which account for Muslims being a higher average number [of members] on city council and school boards.” theguardian.com/us-news/201 … ck-detroit

All this satire.

A Clarion Project investigation has discovered a jihadist enclave in Texas where a deadly shooting took place in 2002… The enclave belongs to the network of Muslims of the Americas, a radical group linked to a Pakistani militant group called Jamaat ul-Fuqra. Its members are devoted followers of Sheikh Mubarak Ali Gilani, an extremist cleric in Pakistan.

The organization says it has a network of 22 “villages” around the U.S., with Islamberg as its main headquarters in New York. The Clarion Project obtained secret MOA footage showing female members receiving paramilitary training at Islamberg… A second MOA tape released by Clarion shows its spokesman declaring the U.S. to be a Muslim-majority country.

A 2007 FBI record states that MOA members have been involved in at least 10 murders, one disappearance, three firebombings, one attempted firebombing, two explosive bombings and one attempted bombing.

The MOA compound in Texas, described by the FBI as an “enclave” and “communal living site,” is in Brazoria county along County Road 3 near Sweeny. The MOA referred to its Texas commune as “Mahmoudberg” in online instructions for a parade in New York in 2010.

Locals told the ACT members that they have heard gunfire coming from the commune. Interviewed residents all agreed that the MOA members are private, yet when the ACT members were spotted in the area, they were immediately and repeatedly approached. At one point, a commune resident gave them a final warning to leave, despite the fact that they were not trespassing or harassing MOA members.

“It was definitely very threatening and menacing,” an ACT member told me.

Locals told the ACT members that government investigators had visited the area a few times and the commune residents refused to talk to them. According to one local, two ambulances were denied entry earlier this year until the police intervened.

So why is MOA/JUF allowed to operate in the country?

The answer is that the State Department has not designated MOA/Jamaat ul-Fuqra as a Foreign Terrorist Organization. The group is thus permitted to organize in the U.S. until that happens.

That’s only a small part of the larger article and it’s also a reminder that No Go Zones already exist in America and that they can form even more easily in rural areas than in cities. These are base communities meant to serve as an expansion point for future Emirates as Islamic settlements in the United States grow and Jihadist activity rises.

The violence begins with terrorism, moves on to guerrilla warfare and then to a conventional war when they have the population numbers.

ABOUT DANIEL GREENFIELD
Daniel Greenfield, a Shillman Journalism Fellow at the Freedom Center, is a New York writer focusing on radical Islam.

Muslim Terrorist Tries to Convert Canadian Prisoners to Islam, Gets Beaten (VIDEO)
Prison Dawah fail

The Women-Hunt in Germany
Muslim migrants openly follow, film and sexually harass teenaged girls in shopping mall.
frontpagemag.com/point/21913 … greenfield

Crap, I was wrong…muslim No Go Zones exist in 9 states.

A shocking new video surfaced on the Internet, that shows Muslim no-go zones in nine different states: Alaska, California, New York, Texas, Michigan, Virginia, South Carolina, Georgia, and Tennessee. usasupreme.com/frightening- … us-states/

It’s funny that Fox News tries to retract the truth that the governments don’t want released just yet about the USA, France and Britain.

If the USA No Go Zones don’t exist, use your wealth to travel there and prove me wrong Mr. Faust, you have good health insurance when they beat you and your woman (raped too) badly.

[Faust]

@WendyDarling

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dBaTVwIJH-E[/youtube]
Muslims stoning Christians in Dearborn Michigan

It’s all made up contrived nonsense right Faust?

After host Tony Perkins warned that Muslim-Americans are “not assimilating into the broader American culture” and instead seek to establish “closed communities” in states like Minnesota and Michigan, Boykin insisted that it has gotten so bad that the police now refuse to go into Dearborn, Michigan, except for in cases of emergency.

“Talk to the police in Dearborn, talk to the police in Detroit, and ask them how often they go into Dearborn and the reality is it’s more on an emergency basis than it is for any kind of routine police activities there,” Boykin said. “We have the same problem here, by not assimilating these people, we are creating the same kind of situation that France and Britain and much of Europe has.” rightwingwatch.org/post/jerr … opulation/

But this month, voters in Hamtramck elected what is believed to be the first majority Muslim city council in the US.

The vote reflects changing - and remarkably diverse - demographics in the small city of 22,000 that is physically surrounded by Detroit. Estimates suggest as much as 60% of Hamtramck’s population is comprised of Muslims, and the city is said to have over a half-dozen mosques. In comparison, today, roughly 11-12% of the city’s population is Polish, down from as much as 90% in the 1970s, said Ted Radzilowski, president of the the Piast Institute, a national research center for Polish affairs.

Dawud Walid, executive director of the Council on American-Islamic Relations’ Michigan chapter, said: “What I think: it’s a sign that Muslims are more engaged in the political process, not that America has become less Islamophobic … There have been some demographic realities in Hamtramck, as well as Dearborn, Michigan, which account for Muslims being a higher average number [of members] on city council and school boards.” theguardian.com/us-news/201 … ck-detroit

All this satire.

A Clarion Project investigation has discovered a jihadist enclave in Texas where a deadly shooting took place in 2002… The enclave belongs to the network of Muslims of the Americas, a radical group linked to a Pakistani militant group called Jamaat ul-Fuqra. Its members are devoted followers of Sheikh Mubarak Ali Gilani, an extremist cleric in Pakistan.

The organization says it has a network of 22 “villages” around the U.S., with Islamberg as its main headquarters in New York. The Clarion Project obtained secret MOA footage showing female members receiving paramilitary training at Islamberg… A second MOA tape released by Clarion shows its spokesman declaring the U.S. to be a Muslim-majority country.

A 2007 FBI record states that MOA members have been involved in at least 10 murders, one disappearance, three firebombings, one attempted firebombing, two explosive bombings and one attempted bombing.

The MOA compound in Texas, described by the FBI as an “enclave” and “communal living site,” is in Brazoria county along County Road 3 near Sweeny. The MOA referred to its Texas commune as “Mahmoudberg” in online instructions for a parade in New York in 2010.

Locals told the ACT members that they have heard gunfire coming from the commune. Interviewed residents all agreed that the MOA members are private, yet when the ACT members were spotted in the area, they were immediately and repeatedly approached. At one point, a commune resident gave them a final warning to leave, despite the fact that they were not trespassing or harassing MOA members.

“It was definitely very threatening and menacing,” an ACT member told me.

Locals told the ACT members that government investigators had visited the area a few times and the commune residents refused to talk to them. According to one local, two ambulances were denied entry earlier this year until the police intervened.

So why is MOA/JUF allowed to operate in the country?

The answer is that the State Department has not designated MOA/Jamaat ul-Fuqra as a Foreign Terrorist Organization. The group is thus permitted to organize in the U.S. until that happens.

That’s only a small part of the larger article and it’s also a reminder that No Go Zones already exist in America and that they can form even more easily in rural areas than in cities. These are base communities meant to serve as an expansion point for future Emirates as Islamic settlements in the United States grow and Jihadist activity rises.

The violence begins with terrorism, moves on to guerrilla warfare and then to a conventional war when they have the population numbers.

ABOUT DANIEL GREENFIELD
Daniel Greenfield, a Shillman Journalism Fellow at the Freedom Center, is a New York writer focusing on radical Islam.

Muslim Terrorist Tries to Convert Canadian Prisoners to Islam, Gets Beaten (VIDEO)
Prison Dawah fail

The Women-Hunt in Germany
Muslim migrants openly follow, film and sexually harass teenaged girls in shopping mall.
frontpagemag.com/point/21913 … greenfield

Crap, I was wrong…muslim No Go Zones exist in 9 states.

A shocking new video surfaced on the Internet, that shows Muslim no-go zones in nine different states: Alaska, California, New York, Texas, Michigan, Virginia, South Carolina, Georgia, and Tennessee. usasupreme.com/frightening- … us-states/

It’s funny that Fox News tries to retract the truth that the governments don’t want released just yet about the USA, France and Britain.

If the USA No Go Zones don’t exist, use your wealth to travel there and prove me wrong Mr. Faust, you have good health insurance when they beat you and your woman (raped too) badly.

Please do some research on this video. It’s easy to do. These were children throwing trash at a group that went in asking for trouble. This is ridiculous.

BTW, Dearborn has its own police department. It’s not part of detroit.

Look, hate people if you want. But why believe lies that are easily refuted?

[Faust]

@phyllo

Immigrants do change the laws and customs of society. They already have. But a mere numerical majority is not enough to change america to the extent that is being stated here. Power is vested a lot of other places than at a small town ballot box. If you want things to change less, the first thing you need to do is to take a hard look at the way things work.

Would you care to get a bit more specific?

Specific about what, specifically.

[tentative]

Wendy,

Are there any other no-go zones in the U.S.? Are the white separatist enclaves with all those AR15s and pipe bombs behind the seat of the pickup considered a no-go zone? Is there a safe place to buy a tiki torch anymore? What about the Mormon polygamist group in four corners and Colorado?

Point: There are lots of different groups who choose to live in ghettos in this and lots of other countries. Some are violent, some refuse to play by any but their own rules. But they are, and will remain, a small percentage of the population. The issue of sharia law taking over the country is ridiculous. It is fear conflated to create a paper tiger. It is an excuse to deny immigration and/or integration.

[Faust]

I may fear those polygamists most of all. But you gotta admire their energy.

[phyllo]

@Faust

@phyllo

Immigrants do change the laws and customs of society. They already have. But a mere numerical majority is not enough to change america to the extent that is being stated here. Power is vested a lot of other places than at a small town ballot box. If you want things to change less, the first thing you need to do is to take a hard look at the way things work.

Would you care to get a bit more specific?

Specific about what, specifically.

This :
"Power is vested a lot of other places than at a small town ballot box. If you want things to change less, the first thing you need to do is to take a hard look at the way things work. "

It’s so general. What would I find? Then what would I do if I “want things to change less”?

[Faust]

Well, I suppose you could, in actual real life, find a municipality that tries to institute sharia law (I can hardly believe I am even writing this). But there’s the Constitution. So, instead of spending energy on highly edited videos of events that didn’t really happen, you might want to send a few bucks to the ACLU. Or just get a better hobby. Of course, I am not addressing you, personally.

[phyllo]

Well, I suppose you could, in actual real life, find a municipality that tries to institute sharia law (I can hardly believe I am even writing this).

You read the article that I posted, so you must have seen that one of the arguments was that it may conflict with the Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms. And the counterargument was that the tribunals were still subject to Canadian laws. However, it’s easy to see that people could be pressured into going to the tribunals and accepting their judgements even though they would be better off going to the Canadian legal system. The Sharia tribunals could potentially become the de facto law at least in some areas and particularly for some vulnerable people.

So, instead of spending energy on highly edited videos of events that didn’t really happen, you might want to send a few bucks to the ACLU.

I didn’t even watch any fucking videos. I haven’t said anything about Dearborn.

You seem to want to paint everyone who has a concern that you do not share, as fearful and irrational.

Or just get a better hobby. Of course, I am not addressing you, personally.

Of course not, because I haven’t made the arguments that you are trying to pin on me.

But thanks for giving me your views on things.

[WendyDarling]

@Faust

@WendyDarling

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dBaTVwIJH-E[/youtube]
Muslims stoning Christians in Dearborn Michigan

It’s all made up contrived nonsense right Faust?

After host Tony Perkins warned that Muslim-Americans are “not assimilating into the broader American culture” and instead seek to establish “closed communities” in states like Minnesota and Michigan, Boykin insisted that it has gotten so bad that the police now refuse to go into Dearborn, Michigan, except for in cases of emergency.

“Talk to the police in Dearborn, talk to the police in Detroit, and ask them how often they go into Dearborn and the reality is it’s more on an emergency basis than it is for any kind of routine police activities there,” Boykin said. “We have the same problem here, by not assimilating these people, we are creating the same kind of situation that France and Britain and much of Europe has.” rightwingwatch.org/post/jerr … opulation/

But this month, voters in Hamtramck elected what is believed to be the first majority Muslim city council in the US.

The vote reflects changing - and remarkably diverse - demographics in the small city of 22,000 that is physically surrounded by Detroit. Estimates suggest as much as 60% of Hamtramck’s population is comprised of Muslims, and the city is said to have over a half-dozen mosques. In comparison, today, roughly 11-12% of the city’s population is Polish, down from as much as 90% in the 1970s, said Ted Radzilowski, president of the the Piast Institute, a national research center for Polish affairs.

Dawud Walid, executive director of the Council on American-Islamic Relations’ Michigan chapter, said: “What I think: it’s a sign that Muslims are more engaged in the political process, not that America has become less Islamophobic … There have been some demographic realities in Hamtramck, as well as Dearborn, Michigan, which account for Muslims being a higher average number [of members] on city council and school boards.” theguardian.com/us-news/201 … ck-detroit

All this satire.

A Clarion Project investigation has discovered a jihadist enclave in Texas where a deadly shooting took place in 2002… The enclave belongs to the network of Muslims of the Americas, a radical group linked to a Pakistani militant group called Jamaat ul-Fuqra. Its members are devoted followers of Sheikh Mubarak Ali Gilani, an extremist cleric in Pakistan.

The organization says it has a network of 22 “villages” around the U.S., with Islamberg as its main headquarters in New York. The Clarion Project obtained secret MOA footage showing female members receiving paramilitary training at Islamberg… A second MOA tape released by Clarion shows its spokesman declaring the U.S. to be a Muslim-majority country.

A 2007 FBI record states that MOA members have been involved in at least 10 murders, one disappearance, three firebombings, one attempted firebombing, two explosive bombings and one attempted bombing.

The MOA compound in Texas, described by the FBI as an “enclave” and “communal living site,” is in Brazoria county along County Road 3 near Sweeny. The MOA referred to its Texas commune as “Mahmoudberg” in online instructions for a parade in New York in 2010.

Locals told the ACT members that they have heard gunfire coming from the commune. Interviewed residents all agreed that the MOA members are private, yet when the ACT members were spotted in the area, they were immediately and repeatedly approached. At one point, a commune resident gave them a final warning to leave, despite the fact that they were not trespassing or harassing MOA members.

“It was definitely very threatening and menacing,” an ACT member told me.

Locals told the ACT members that government investigators had visited the area a few times and the commune residents refused to talk to them. According to one local, two ambulances were denied entry earlier this year until the police intervened.

So why is MOA/JUF allowed to operate in the country?

The answer is that the State Department has not designated MOA/Jamaat ul-Fuqra as a Foreign Terrorist Organization. The group is thus permitted to organize in the U.S. until that happens.

That’s only a small part of the larger article and it’s also a reminder that No Go Zones already exist in America and that they can form even more easily in rural areas than in cities. These are base communities meant to serve as an expansion point for future Emirates as Islamic settlements in the United States grow and Jihadist activity rises.

The violence begins with terrorism, moves on to guerrilla warfare and then to a conventional war when they have the population numbers.

ABOUT DANIEL GREENFIELD
Daniel Greenfield, a Shillman Journalism Fellow at the Freedom Center, is a New York writer focusing on radical Islam.

Muslim Terrorist Tries to Convert Canadian Prisoners to Islam, Gets Beaten (VIDEO)
Prison Dawah fail

The Women-Hunt in Germany
Muslim migrants openly follow, film and sexually harass teenaged girls in shopping mall.
frontpagemag.com/point/21913 … greenfield

Crap, I was wrong…muslim No Go Zones exist in 9 states.

A shocking new video surfaced on the Internet, that shows Muslim no-go zones in nine different states: Alaska, California, New York, Texas, Michigan, Virginia, South Carolina, Georgia, and Tennessee. usasupreme.com/frightening- … us-states/

It’s funny that Fox News tries to retract the truth that the governments don’t want released just yet about the USA, France and Britain.

If the USA No Go Zones don’t exist, use your wealth to travel there and prove me wrong Mr. Faust, you have good health insurance when they beat you and your woman (raped too) badly.

Please do some research on this video. It’s easy to do. These were children throwing trash at a group that went in asking for trouble. This is ridiculous.

BTW, Dearborn has its own police department. It’s not part of detroit.

Look, hate people if you want. But why believe lies that are easily refuted?

With evidence, refute away.

So it’s okay to throw trash at people, better yet encourage children to batter adult strangers, who are using their first amendment rights? Why not ignore the group in question? In what world do you think it’s right to batter people with anything physical for voicing their opinions?

You show no proof of anything you say is discredited. It’s only discredited in your mind. Prove that it didn’t happen. I offered visual proof that it did as well as several articles from different sources about issues surrounding Muslim only communities, offer what you have that is better than the empty words that come out of an empty head. Blow more than smoke. I notice that is all you do…blow smoke. You have no facts, figures, articles, videos…nothing but empty words that don’t align with a changing reality.

[phyllo]

So what do we have here?

On the one side, Autsider wants to kill anyone identified as different.

On the other side, Faust says that there is nothing to worry about.

:-"

[WendyDarling]

@tentative

Wendy,

Are there any other no-go zones in the U.S.? Are the white separatist enclaves with all those AR15s and pipe bombs behind the seat of the pickup considered a no-go zone? Is there a safe place to buy a tiki torch anymore? What about the Mormon polygamist group in four corners and Colorado?

Point: There are lots of different groups who choose to live in ghettos in this and lots of other countries. Some are violent, some refuse to play by any but their own rules. But they are, and will remain, a small percentage of the population. The issue of sharia law taking over the country is ridiculous. It is fear conflated to create a paper tiger. It is an excuse to deny immigration and/or integration.

Dover, Tennessee was the home of the KKK, but that sign no longer stands.

Where are the white separatist enclaves with armed guards at their gates threatening outsiders who are not even guaranteed safe passage?

I’m glad you mentioned that Mormon group…why does it still exist? Their armed guards will come up on you as you approach their areas and they own the local police for they own the nearest towns. I’d forgotten about them but I’ve seen plenty of horrifying documentaries on their operations which is closely related to a variance of Sharia like laws made by their founder Warren Jeffs with a Christian slant.

Polygamist Sects and Communities
The Salt Lake Tribune has published a Polygamist Leadership Tree that provides an excellent overview of the origins and linkages between polygamist sects in the U.S. and Canada. Polygamous sects have founded isolated communities in the Southwest and have developed a society that defies the laws of both Arizona and Utah. They support polygamous marriage, including marriages between underage girls and older men. tripsavvy.com/polygamy-in-t … st-1652895

The difference is that Mormon polygamists are a minority that will most likely stay a minority, but Islam is not a minority religion or practice.

Your POINT has no point that relates to what we are discussing. Muslims in Europe are demanding Sharia be institutionalized or are you denying this too?

[Faust]

@phyllo

Well, I suppose you could, in actual real life, find a municipality that tries to institute sharia law (I can hardly believe I am even writing this).

You read the article that I posted, so you must have seen that one of the arguments was that it may conflict with the Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms. And the counterargument was that the tribunals were still subject to Canadian laws. However, it’s easy to see that people could be pressured into going to the tribunals and accepting their judgements even though they would be better off going to the Canadian legal system. The Sharia tribunals could potentially become the de facto law at least in some areas and particularly for some vulnerable people.

So, instead of spending energy on highly edited videos of events that didn’t really happen, you might want to send a few bucks to the ACLU.

I didn’t even watch any fucking videos. I haven’t said anything about Dearborn.

You seem to want to paint everyone who has a concern that you do not share, as fearful and irrational.

Or just get a better hobby. Of course, I am not addressing you, personally.

Of course not, because I haven’t made the arguments that you are trying to pin on me.

But thanks for giving me your views on things.

Well, immigrants have been routinely exploited. Throughout history. That’s no reason to panic.

I’m not trying to pin anything on you. I am speaking about the fearful ones. I was perhaps not clear. I tried. Apologies if you misunderstood.

I do not want to paint everyone anything. I want to point out panic where I see it. Panic is almost always a bad strategy.

[Faust]

@phyllo

So what do we have here?

On the one side, Autsider wants to kill anyone identified as different.

On the other side, Faust says that there is nothing to worry about.

:-"

I have not said tthat there is nothing to worry about. I am saying that worry is wasted on fictions and should be reserved for facts.

[WendyDarling]

@phyllo

So what do we have here?

On the one side, Autsider wants to kill anyone identified as different.

On the other side, Faust says that there is nothing to worry about.

:-"

Kill anyone different and their supporters.

Faust gets his facts on CNN, CBSN, etc.

[Faust]

With evidence, refute away.

So it’s okay to throw trash at people, better yet encourage children to batter adult strangers, who are using their first amendment rights? Why not ignore the group in question? In what world do you think it’s right to batter people with anything physical for voicing their opinions?

You show no proof of anything you say is discredited. It’s only discredited in your mind. Prove that it didn’t happen. I offered visual proof that it did as well as several articles from different sources about issues surrounding Muslim only communities, offer what you have that is better than the empty words that come out of an empty head. Blow more than smoke. I notice that is all you do…blow smoke. You have no facts, figures, articles, videos…nothing but empty words that don’t align with a changing reality.

I am not going to refute the stoning of white people. If you are remotely interested in the truth, you can find out for yourself. I didn’t say it’s okay to throw trash at people - I said that no one was being stoned. That was your claim. You have just claimed that your claim has not been refuted by me and then have changed the claim you defend. Are you interested in the truth at all, or are you just trying to win an argument?

Why didn’t the victims of the stoning ignore the muslims who were, after all, at a muslim festival? Why are we holding children to the same standard as the adults who crashed the festival? Why would anyone crash that festival to harass the people who were there enjoying it? I do not have to prove that it didn’t happen as you say - anyone can find the facts on this. Nothing either of us says changes those facts.

That I have seen, on a post of yours, a repetition of that sharia law “story”, which began as a satirical story on an avowed fake news site (it’s comedy) makes me wonder if you are A) a liar - which I do not think is the case, B) very naive - which I also don’t think is quite right or C) just not interested in what most people conceive of as facts. A satirical news story on a fake news site is not reportage of anything that actually happened on the planet. Do you really not understand that?

A kid throwing waste paper at obnoxious grownups is not sharia law stoning. Do you see a stone in that video? Do you see an empty water bottle?

[tentative]

Wendy,

Dammit! I had to go to wiki to check. The estimated Muslim population in France is 7 - 9% in 2017. I’m sure that some of the Muslim population there would like to see sharia law observed, but it isn’t ALL of them. Soooo… the wildly conflated doom and gloom of sharia taking over France is just fearmongering by the ultra-right. If 90% of the French people don’t want Sharia law, then it ain’t going to happen. Sure, the reactionaries on both sides will cause problems, but the state of the state isn’t going to be overthrown by 10% of the population.

I forgot to check, but it is doubtful that the Muslim population in the U.S. isn’t even half of that. It just isn’t reasonable to run around with your hair on fire over something that isn’t and won’t happen.

[Faust]

To me, sharia law is only moderately more onerous than what some conservative christians, who outnumber muslims in the US greatly, want to impose on society by way of laws. as far as i know, Christians don’t stone people very much, either, to be fair.

Tentative - it’s 1%. But give them time - it’ll be 2%!!!