Do you know your own self-interest?

Self interest has several factors embedded. One, there is an old controversy between interest for the self taken defensively. This lead to the proposition of contractual agreements forming communities, to have others protect the individual self.

The other more optimistic view of association, is formed not defensively, but as forming communities
of like minded heuristic groups comprising of individuals having positive views of themselves and others, not as threats, but as persons to enjoy their brotherhood with.

Does self interest depend on one, or other point of view? Do people really know where their self interest is vested in ?

Let’s say a person is able to form their own opinions apart from their own group, family, neighborhood, to the extent that they can dis associate their own views from the ones they have learned. But can they do the same to those around and before him, his lineage, and the gross determinants of the views of their others. This is the problem, since many of those views , have become dormant, unknown, generic, or even mainstream archytipical, subconscious.

How difficult it is then, to really know self interest, especially when such becomes a matter of ad hoc and immediate action, in the matter of betterment of interest for the self. Most often, the major determinant will reduce to a gut level determination, an instinctive reaction, founded by long vested interest.

Most of them are not refugees.

Is there any closed argument that refugees make a society sink any faster?

In the US, the minority, yet unproved thought n the matter, is, that the more refugees the batter, because they are an asset, rather then a liability. From an economic point of view, they will take on jobs, for minimum , or even below minimum wage, and their willingness to do so, balance the over the top wages the mainstream is willing to accept. However this issue has not at all been decided in favor of one side, or the other.

Mags, it is sounding less and less like an indeed as time goes on.

Yes.

How quick is your sinking? :wink:

Yes.

Not the fact that they are refugees, the fact that they are many.

This has been proven to be true, so indeed doesn’t apply to them.

Does Indeed apply to you and if so, why?

I replied “Indeed” to this post.

…but not much utopian vision overlapping is going on.

That’s why I said that it is sounding less and less like an indeed.

Do I know my own self-interest?

Within the context of being human…yes.

Within the context of being…no.

Sure there is. It’s called the action of “walking away” . It is NOT in one’s best self-interest to stay.

Why do you find there to be a difference between the two?

thinkdr

There are many answers to that. The first which comes to me is to look before I leap. To sometimes tred lightly. To reflect on as many possibilities as I can before making a decision. To do no harm in the long run can also be within my own best interest. Nothing selfish about it.
See there are legions.

Yes, in the long run, yes. We’re all affected in a sense by poverty and with unethical people.

Possibly - depending on how much disease could be done away with. But we still have to learn to take care of ourselves in the here and now. That’s in our own best interest.

I can do that now even as things are but who knows in the future if things go so down hill?

More value, discerning value, more flourishing.

What is optimum to enhance the quality or the qualia of our lives.

By discovering and reflecting on what does enhance our lives and gives quality to it…and going after that.

Give me a scenario here?

That sounds a bit like hedonism wouldn’t you say? There has to be a balance and a harmony.
Too much of a good thing soon gets quite rusty or stale I think.

That balances things better. :evilfun:

Better world? Gees, that’s a large order. I might say where these devilish tv preachers, after giving their sermons, would NOT ask for a thousand dollars to be given from people who are so desperate to hear the word of their god and who are manipulated into believing that god will answer their prayers but only in the giving of their hard-earned living. Get rid of these so-called preachers and the world would be a better place.

It would also be a better place if people stopped suing at the drop of a hat.
Also, if people would stop the stupidity of texting while driving and talking on the phone while driving.
Also, if medical insurance was not so high.

:-k I’m not so sure about this one. Might this sound a bit like communism…I might be wrong though.

That sounds like a sweet little village.
Donald Trump - do you hear this? :laughing:

Dead people don’t walk away.

“Wanting” to kill is not the same as already having done it, One Liner. Why would we accept that as the final answer?
Getting out, running away, fighting our way out, either figuratively or literally, is what we have to do when any of those ways of killing which you mentioned above are happening ~~ that is, if we value ourselves.

What does a defeatist attitude do for us? At least we would go down fighting.

So when a woman gets raped, it’s her fault for not running fast enough or not fighting hard enough?