What are you doing? (Part 1)

Strolls and dashes anywhere. Not for dancing though.

Your styled dress would work for shallow waters as shown, after lots of splashing around, quick drying thin material. And the fitted busts, very similar. :smiley:

Enjoying a moment of this early morning. Yep, it’s definitely coffee time.

Just returned from a long walk with Cotton. :animals-dogrun: Twenty-five feet from our front door, he stops and gives me the look…Mama, I’m your baby who is tuckered out, so carry me, :romance-heartbeating: Mama. How could I ever refuse?

How much sorrow can a person endure watching a loved one die slowly over 8 weeks? Sorrow doesn’t seem an adequate description, more like anguish and agony. How does an overly sensitive person remain sane throughout this process? The dread of even imagining it, makes me queasy. It’s strange when you run out of tears.

In such situations, I am more bothered by other people showing their emotions than the main event itself.
It irritates me.

By other people, you mean strangers?

Not necessarily.

Let me know when you have something substantial to add other than random people irritate you.

Could it be because there’s not much that you can really do for them? With something like that I am convinced that one has to experience it in person to understand it, and even then it’s not easy. Most people do not enjoy helplessly watching others suffer, much less a loved one. Yes, some people are more stoic about it than others, and maybe some have to be ‘stronger’ than others, but I don’t think that they really are. I think it would be selfish to be ‘irritated’ by others’ emotionalism under such circumstances, as if they dare to disturb your serenity. It should be understood and excused. Sometimes, holding back strong emotions is not good for you. You let it out, let the grieving process take its course and move on. Life goes on, yes, but we are not rocks, either.

I think it’s better to be rational than emotional.
When people tell me to let my emotions out, they are literally asking me to become emotional like them.
That would be pulling me down on their level.
I am not without emotions. I simply do not express them the way many people do.
For example, the way my family does.
This calmness is precisely that which allows me to retain positive memory of the most negative experiences in my life.
I find it distasteful when people speak negatively of their suffering . . . when they express a great deal of hope of it never coming back.
That’s what emotionalism does to people.
They become unable to relive their memories.

The problem I have with emotional people is due to my experience which thought me that emotional people are very likely to interfer with and obstruct any kind of serious attempt to resolve the problem.
In other words, their emotionalism creates additional problems.
It’s not simply people crying that annoys me.
It’s the fact that they are very likely to mess things up.

When your loved one is dying and you’re crying, you’re making it difficult for them.
My grandma said the same to my mother two years ago.

Okay, but simply denying emotions is not healthy either; repression can act like a slow acting poison.

Ok. I suppose different people have different breaking strengths, but surprisingly, these things are not always clear cut. The final straw that breaks the camels back could be anything.

Well, I think it’s only natural not to want to relieve such memories; otherwise you might risk becoming a masochist or obsessed with suffering. The problem with thinking you’re stronger than what you really are is that it may lead to a type of coping delusion of sorts, in other words, you really have to know where your true limit is. Sometimes, before something breaks it will bend first, and that bend is not always noticeable. (I’m talking about repression of actual emotions that should be acknowledged and let out).

I am trying to apply your reasoning. Do you mean like pulling a plug on terminally ill family member? Or euthanasia?

I understand, a sick/dying persons wish. Many sick and dying people want to make light of the situation, but I can’t say that it’s easier on the ones who have to live with it. Some may call it a selfish reaction, but to others it may be a proof of deep attachment the degree of which is very difficult and painful to break.

Holding back emotion is not the same as not feeling emotion. If you’re holding back emotion, the emotion is still there and interferes with your rationality all the same.

Furthermore, emotion is essential for rationality. Without emotion, nothing would matter, including being rational.

I agree with gibmegib.

Emotions give life meaning, without emotions survival is without purpose.

I am a great proponent of emotions, but damn, they are so hard to bear…at times.

Repression means you are failing to predict how your body will react.
In other words, it means you are not rational enough.
An example would be when you tell yourself you are going to spend your entire day working only to see yourself losing interest at some point (say due to some kind of worry.)
That’s what happens when your goals are unrealistic.
Or as you say, when you don’t know your limits.

It is emotionalism that creates problems of this sort.
Not reason.

Limits are set by reason not by emotions.

Magnus,

What do you mean that repressing emotions is an example of emotionalism itself? What would be the state of non-emotionalism? Just not feeling anything?

I mean that when you repress some emotion it’s always under the influence of some other emotion.
In other words, whenever you over-express something (i.e. when some emotion is too strong) you always under-express something else (i.e. some other emotion becomes too weak.) And vice versa.
I don’t know what it means to feel nothing. You always feel something.
The choice is between consonant/rational feelings and dissonant/irrational feelings.
Not between feelings and no-feelings.
It’s the shape or arrangment or configuration of feelings that we’re disputing here.
Not feelings themselves.

Ok, so emotions are obviously compatible with rationality. They just have to work in harmony with rationality. ← Is that it?

Pretty much.

It is unknown to me what exactly consonance/dissonance refers to but one sound way to explain it is as a degree of correspondence between what we want or expect (our plan or model of reality) with what happens in reality.
You can say that each time before we act we form a plan, an idea in our head, as to what kind of sequence of events we want to occur.
Once the attempt is made and outcome is observed we either feel consonance, which indicates that what we wanted to happen happened, or we feel dissonance, which indicates that what we wanted to happen did not happen.
It’s more precise to say we feel a degree of dissonance based on how much of what happened corresponds to what we wanted to happen.
This nicely explains why we feel confident when we are in control of our body.
Bodily movements are one of the most common movements that we make and when they are not in tune with our commands, when our body does not obey our commands to a near-perfect degree, then we feel significantly less confident as our body constantly bombards our brain with negative signals.

I don’t buy this. Some people repress with distraction, with imperatives, and you are telling me that there is an emotion under their directives to be preoccupied which take precedence over their being involved in the moment? Whatever would that emotion be…simple fear?