"Not that.
I believe the brain is central but the whole experiences is related to the whole body and the inherent DNA [nature] plus experiences [nurture].
ALL humans has the potential for psychedelic experiences as embedded within the DNA, the brain and body.
This potential for psychedelic can be triggered by various means, i.e. drugs, hallucinogens, stress, mental illness and others elements & activity that activate the algorithm to generate the psychedelic experiences."
The brain is central in a sense, think a TV set or hardware, plugged into the wall it has power like we are plugged into reality(consciousness), we have power here, now cable or wifi, it receives and projects onto the screen, an image, think of the subconscious, now think of the remote to the TV, our ability to make choices and choose what we project. The subconscious feeds our consciousness through imagery and being between two states we can correlate this imagery to express our spiritual or “psychedelic” experiencing through language or also use imagery and just project it, we get ideas from the subconscious, it’s like a cookie jar of information, symbols, etc and once one becomes conscious of such, they can willfully search for answers to specific questions and attempt correlating or bringing the answer to the surface using self. Our brain is complex because it is needed to be complex and it is /still/ evolving or devolving, it all depends upon what environment you choose and which archetype you want to try and project, attitude and consistency. A lot of people are devolving because they are the embodiment of death, we are unique to be unique for the sake of evolution, yet they all try and be like each other and don’t let themselves out to live and express, that’s death in a sense, a ceasing to experience as self.
You don’t -have- to use psychedelics or study them to achieve these states of mind or thoughts/conclusions, they just are a mirror to show evidence. Just like I believe my eyes are the color they are but if I look in a glass mirror or reflection, I can understand fully and know for sure that they are, in both literal and metaphorical contexts. If one is spiritual one can achieve answers without any drugs but the drugs may be used as a short cut and I believe it’s possible they have already had a significant effect/affect on our evolutionary path to bringing us to this point, both physically and mentally(perception), the proof is in ancient texts through symbolism and their language, which is not easy to understand. One can be spiritual without psychedelics, but one who is not spiritual at all may become such through psychedelic experiencing without seeking to be such, it is due to its profound nature.
"Humans had evolved from one cell living things since 3 billion years ago and this whole program is embedded in the human DNA which set up the potential for psychedelic experiences.
However humans has developed a highly evolved ego that suppresses the potential for psychedelic experience which is why humans has to transcend the ego and trigger the relevant buttons to generate psychedelic experiences."
I view what you’re talking about as spirituality if it’s outside of using a hallucinogenic or study of psychedelic culture itself, to get answers from the self you must first, ask questions to understand the answers, not simply to know them quickly because often the messages are missed or misinterpreted and the drugs may be abused.
The ego is developed to be how it is due to a specific environment, not solely the ego alone. If we taught children how to think and not what to think and acted as guides instead of authority figures of indoctrination, we would have a lot more people talking about what I am saying and living for self, we would be choosing to evolve instead of devolve to suicide, we are attempting at detaching from nature by use of the ego and an invented environment of comfort, when we devolve, we will die from trying to do such because nature is the ruler here and it will swat us like we do a mosquito. It’s like a 3 year old child trying to run away from its parents. What do you think happens the worst or the best?
We don’t need solutions or “fixes” we need states of mind, this state of mind can be applied to solve any issue rather than us wasting time showing one solution or one way methods that ultimately don’t work, a solution without understanding the issue is not a solution but instead a whole new issue. We have dug ourselves into a cycle of creating more issues by trying to solve one due to a lack of understanding of the issues roots. Showing what to think is less potent than a state of mind/how to think, this is the state of “enlightenment” that is so talked about. It isn’t just one piece of knowledge and you’re “enlightened”, it is a comprehension, a way of dissecting information, a state of mind/thinking and it takes training to arrive there as it would to become a black belt in jiu jitsu, some have advantage and some have disadvantage, that’s dependent on environment.
Breaking that cycle of repetitively breeding willful ignorance is where we evolve and make progress, we create unnecessary work for ourself due to a misshaping of next generations/children’s egos, the proof? Society is it now, notice how everyone is trying to save something? How about saving and establishing yourself first, a seed with no roots will never be a tree just like a human with no understanding or proper state of mind will never properly/permanently solve issues.
It’s a repetitive cycle and nature is tired, the collective urgency and my being here at all and talking about this is evidence, along with the bright minds in the past that were gifts to man but suffered greatly… I’m no one superior to anyone or thing who has ever walked or ever will walk this earth, we all live off of shit and best be humble about it.
However, it may seem that way to an average common Joe or the mass populace but that is because he doesn’t want to be up, he wants to be down and I would rather be up and so he would associate me with his own discomfort and insecurity through projection of me claiming or attempting to be “superior” when in reality he is creating the weakness in himself. To be a God, one must accept the obligations, the weight and the responsibility in being it, people don’t want responsibility of self let alone to be an embodiment of “god”, they want their hands held and to be comfortable, there is no new knowledge in comfort and I am trapped in a society of comfort when we should be seeking more to evolve ourself before we are wiped out.
“Jesus” said he’d be back, get it? He understood environment and how nature works and how an environment of struggle will always be created to breed the idea of him and what he stands for, back here, he was merely an idea and is immortal, he’s back already and pissed that the message was missed/misinterpreted. “Jesus” is like batman, an immortal archetype and a state of mind to be achieved, an understanding, anyone who wishes to put in the effort, may be it and possibly even better than the past idea due to unique expression.
"would say ‘consciousness’ [human or otherwise] is also granted by evolution.
Note there are counter argument by Kant who stated ‘nature’ is spontaneously co-created by humans. This is very counter-intuitive but there is a philosophical argument for it."
Consciousness manifests through our evolution, yes, that’s obvious as a child grows, it evolves consciousness. Subconscious is the root though, the eternal child, the “god”.
Nature is Co-created by humans, that’s undeniable, we are mere branches of it and we expand it via experiencing, this doesn’t mean if we, humanity, cease to exist that nature will. Fossils show otherwise but the point is to grow so if anything, humanity would be wiped for something else to take our place and I hope thy choose to evolve, like what supposedly happened to the dinosaurs. "Life goes on within you and without you "
Cut off a tree branch, the tree may still stand along with keeping it’s roots established, the branch is what goes away, that’s consciousness(ego) and subconsciousness.
Nature/subconscious is here to stay, ego/humanity may not be, that’s up to us and our choice on what we wish to do in regards to evolution/devolution. It’s comfort or struggle, pick one but they are not as they seem, only for the present moment. You pick struggle? Then you will grow and the contrast will show in the future, strength. It all boils down to contrast, chaos and order.
“In the past some people may have chanced upon to experience such psychedelic experiences due to various triggers, example mental illnesses, brain damage, hallucinogens, mushrooms, etc.”
Yes they have and some understood/understand and some don’t, it depends upon ones Intent while experiencing. Seek answers for the sake of understanding and they will appear to one so they may.
“Whether is natural or created by society, the fact is a certain % of human suffer from mental illnesses.
Some of these mental patients experienced God related experiences.
2000+ or lesser years ago, there were no psychiatric and scientists to explain their experiences, thus it is likely these people could claim to be the chosen ones by a God, thus founded a religion.
Do you think this is possible?
Note, people like Moses, Jesus, Paul of Damascus, Mohammed were associated with such experiences and hearing sounds.”
Religion is weaponized spirituality, to keep people bred ignorant and passive to have a society such as this one, so groups of individuals that are rich can be at the top and control the foundation of where we go, collectivel. Spirituality I believe could be manifested naturally through environment, so sure a mental “illness” could change ones perception and bring about a certain state of mind or being but one has to define mental illness more definitively, what is “normal”? Is staying in a standardized repetitive program/society, normal when reality is anything but normal? See how that’s bred passivity and ignorance?
“The trigger of the psychedelic experiences in SOME via various triggers in the past has led to these people claiming to be agent of God and has founded various religions.
You agree? or disagree?”
Well the Buddha says not to use drugs at all, so how would that be founded on psychedelic experience? I disagree because you are conflating spirituality with psychedelic culture and also conflating taking a drug with culture. One can have the culture and understanding without the drug, that’s what spirituality is, the drug is merely the proof for your own eyes.
It could have but I don’t think religion came from it or spirituality. Spirituality is natural. I do believe drugs evolved us but religion is made by man and is not evolution, it’s devolution. Spirituality and psychedelic culture is evolution, spirituality being natural and psychedelic culture an attempt at speeding up evolution by change of perception or new idea to project/manifest into reality. It’s a tool to use to communicate between conscious and subconscious self to correlate new ideas through a limited objective brain, do you understand?
“The point is those who deliberately take drug trips and experience God related experience would not likely claim to be agents of God. Rather it is those who have had such sudden experiences of God related consciousness would like claim they were chosen by God be be God’s agent, e.g. Moses hearing sound from the burning bushes, Jesus hearing from God, Muhammad hearing from Allah to listen, Paul blasted with an experience on the road to Damascus, etc.”
It’s an understanding of being “god”, not merely a claim to be made. It is knowing without understanding but knowing is the first step to the path, seeking to understand is the second. It’s like me trying to describe blue to you. You have to experience it to see the proof of it, do some more research. We are all drugs, some drugs help us, some drugs don’t help us, psychedelics are merely mirrors.