What about people who excel in good deeds but think that the Jesus story is fake and deluded. Do they go to Hell?
No. It is LESS than.
"Having faith is believing in something you just know ain’t true.”
― Mark Twain,
Faith is willful delusion. It is mere make believe
That is what you (Sculptor) would like it (faith) to be. That is not what it is.
You want to tussle a straw man … you don’t want to face a steel man. You must ask yourself why that is.
…what???
You might want to ask yourself why did you fear to direct this comment directly to a particular person and direct it to a specific topic.
What is the “that” to which you refer.
- without context or argument, all you are doing is “nay, nay, nay”
I was responding to you, and your mischaracterization of faith. I will edit my post to make that more obvious.
DO not bother. you are wrong about faith. I have given you exaclty what it means. Twain pretty much had is sussed.
You have shown clear rejection of facts as elements in determining truth. If you do not invoke things that are the case you have only your imagination to build a fantasy.
So anyways, still waiting to hear back from F.D.
Yes.
Bible-Believing Christians are a growing minority and the draw of the world today is far greater than faith.
Thank you WL for reminding me.
Sculptor wrote:
What about people who excel in good deeds but think that the Jesus story is fake and deluded. Do they go to Hell?
We aren’t nearly as righteous as we suppose.
We are what we are by God’s grace, not our works (1 Cor. 15:10).
The churches today are packed with people that have a form of godliness but they do not believe the pillars of faith.
Faith is willful delusion. It is mere make believe
Today people want faith that is a real substance, they can sit in it, they can touch it, they can feel it.
They want EVIDENCE of things they can see, not evidence of things not seen.
Martin Luther said faith is something you cannot see or touch.
Kenneth Copeland, Hillsong, Benny Hinn, these are frightening to watch, truly demonic. They Speak in tongues, fall over, have holy laughter, have gold dust fall down on their heads, whatever it takes, I want to physically see you Lord, appear to me, let’s make it tangible, let’s make it touchable.
Are people having those experiences,… absolutely this is the religion of the day but it is not faith and faith has been changed into reality and then by definition it is no longer faith.
You’re doing this on purpose.
I’m walking away now.
Is there something pathological about Christians that they cannot actually ever answer a simply question?
Would you like me to retype it?
WOuld there be any point.
What about people who excel in good deeds but think that the Jesus story is fake and deluded. Do they go to Hell?
Yes, well this is the perfect delusion.
You think that your “faith” is better than another’s. Yet what I see from the outside is that “faith” is the problem and I see that in all of you.
Why should I accept or value the faith of a buddhist, Muslim , or jew any more or less than you, or these obscure people you have judged and condemned?
Do you not wonder why I find this all so laughable?
Sculptor… Christians are not silent on this…you just aren’t reading them:
From above:
Jesus wasn’t silent, either. I’m paraphrasing him.
I can’t speak for anyone else, but the resurrection is the best explanation for the available historical data, all the others’ founders are still disembodied, and the only one who fully demonstrated self=other is Jesus. Love is not love without demonstration, and I will not settle for a less maximal God. Periodt.
And yet you do. Again and again.
And as for the resurection… I saw Elcis Presley in Tescos the other day. I read it in the National Enquirer.
There is no “historical” resurrection.
And so what is your answer?
Awww come on, you must admit, in your beliefs, all non-Christian’s are gonna fry purely because they didn’t say the line. One line, about Christ being God. Seens trivial.
True, Islam teaches that Islam is the only acceptable religion to God. But, it also teaches that God loves to hear excuses and with the hysteria about Islam I’d hope there’d be some leeway given.
Islam is the most universal / ecumenical of the Abrahamic faiths. The Qur’an makes honourable mention of Christian martyrs:
In Surah 18 (“The Cave”) - from verse 9 to 26 - mentions the Christian Sleepers of Ephesus, it opens like this:
9. Or deemest thou that the People of the Cave and the Inscription are a wonder among Our portents?
10. When the young men fled for refuge to the Cave and said: Our Lord! Give us mercy from Thy presence, and shape for us right conduct in our plight.
11. Then We sealed up their hearing in the Cave for a number of years.
Also Qur’an Surah 85 (“The Mansions of the Zodiac”) mentions some Christian martyrs in Yemen who were burned alive by a Jewish king called Zu Nuwas (“The One of the Side-Curls”). The Qur’an curses them for sitting by the fire and watching the Christians burn. It is said one woman amongst them was terrified but her baby told her to throw them both into the fire, echoing Jesus’s speaking as an infant too:
- (Self-)destroyed were the owners of the ditch
- Of the fuel-fed fire,
- When they sat by it,
- And were themselves the witnesses of what they did to the believers.
- They had naught against them save that they believed in Allah, the Mighty,
the Owner of Praise, - Him unto Whom belongeth the Sovereignty of the heavens and the earth; and
Allah is of all things the Witness. - Lo! they who persecute believing men and believing women and repent not,
theirs verily will be the doom of hell, and theirs the doom of burning.
Sorry to gatecrash but you didn’'t answer the other person’s question did you. Shame that most Christians believe everyone else will burn in hell.
“I’m so fuhREAKing annoying, I can’t even STAND myself!” - Sculptor, at his most wise moment.
Buddhism and Christianity cannot be reconciled.
Advocates of Islam may say, “Islam is not an antichrist religion because it teaches Jesus was chosen by Allah to be his prophet and that Jesus came in the flesh according to the Koran.” Now, it’s true that Islam teaches that Christ was chosen, but only as a prophet and not the Son of God.
When the jews rejected Christ, saying “We have no king but Caesar”, they brought a curse upon themselves and Jerusalem was destroyed
At the Second Coming people will be judged (the living and the dead) based on their actions and choices in life, particularly their acceptance or rejection of Jesus Christ.
The primary basis of judgment will be whether a person accepted Jesus Christ as their savior, with those who rejected him facing condemnation.