A little evidence for those religious Conservaturds

And those genes are there because in the aggregate and on average they’ve been successful in ensuring survival of people in the past. If you want to break it down even further you’ll need to look into things like positive and negative ethnocentrism. For example how in computer models it’s the group that is both positively and negatively ethnocentric (strong ingroup preferences and internal cooperation plus rejection of and hostility to outsiders) that ends up dominating the grid. You might also want to look into the concept of group evolutionary strategies.

And then there’s the component of genetic mutations and their accumulation in western populations as a consequence of the industrial revolution relaxing pressures of Darwinian purifying natural selection. And what are the consequences of accumulating deleterious mutations throughout the population (keep in mind that 80%+ of the human genome codes for something about the brain, so random mutations are likely to impact neurological functioning). And notice that the rise in progressivism (rejection of history, rejection of tradition, hyper-individualism as opposed to holding actual group values) parallels the increase in accumulated genetic mutations in the population and a corresponding decline in both physical and mental health.

You are missing the point …

Don’t believe all they say about genes …

When you bury your head in the sand don’t forget to take a breathing tube.

Not really. Conservatives only want to conserve the status quo which ensures their continued power and wealth in perpetuity.

No really.
Social Progress is the the forefront.

You seem to love labels. I suppose that makes your prejudice easier to focus.

how wonderfully circular of you.
QED my last statement.

Only if you want simplicity.
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It is always a pleasure to converse with a person who is keen to present arguments and not attack the other interlocuters, interested in exchange of opinions and learning - but not with “Sculptor”.

Clearly you missed all that I just said. Or simply don’t want to acknowledge it.

I’ll wait for you to respond to what I wrote.

Why not? What about what I said regarding genes is incorrect?

Do you even bother to explain anything or just spout random assertions with no backup or substance?

Ironic coming from someone who is primarily interested in acquiring power and wealth to himself and his own groups.

Maybe you’re not aware, but virtuous victim signaling has been shown to associate with dark triad traits in personality. You might want to look that up.

What social progress is that? I see a small amount of actual progress at the cost of a much larger regress and loss.

No idea what you mean here. Why don’t you try responding to the ideas instead of making weird nonsensical accusations?

I can tell you’re going to be a lot of fun. Thanks anyway for confirming everything I’ve said here already.

A precondition for me considering to view any link you put in here would be that you at least make some kind of coherent argument, or at minimum attempt to address the ideas I’ve already raised. Since you’re not doing that I’m not going to feed your trolling.

Carry on I guess. Nothing new under the sun.

I went to the trouble of printing the transcript of the video and it was clearly about a misconception that Jesus was a conservative in the way that many Christians see themselves as conservative. The bottom line was that, judging by what the Gospels say, Jesus was more of a socialist-type revolutionary (the message of the video).

It didn’t have directly to do with left or right, conservatives or liberals, but how to interpret Jesus’ words and actions, with the quotes from the prophets in mind.

My view is that you simply do not understand the comment.
Genes are inert is a similar way to nuclear weapons.

Jesus the socialist, that’s a good one. Glad I didn’t waste my time on that video if that’s the angle it’s pushing.

Jesus wasn’t even political, he didn’t espouse any kind of politics or political ideology at all. Christianity isn’t like Islam, it doesn’t create a political system from itself. It’s outside the scope of politics deliberately.

Yes, this touches on the concept of morphic resonance, Sheldrake stuff. Very cool ideas. And I didn’t say previously that everything is reducible to genes, however a lot definitely is. For example it’s possible to quantify the heritability of many traits including in personality and even political inclination. I have that data if you want to see it.

As for genes being active in cells, well yeah. Obviously. Genes determine what proteins are created and the proteins all work together and fold and interact to create organic systems. I agree with you that some of this process isn’t genetic, but a lot certainly is. And there’s more about DNA we probably don’t know about, for example look into the work of Dr Peter Garaiev with waveform genomics.

Well Lewontin also thought there is more genetic diversity within groups than between them, which is false. It’s even literally called Lewontin‘s fallacy, lol. I don’t know what he’s saying here but clearly it’s not the case that genes don’t do anything. He seemed to have some sort of agenda as some scientists do when it comes to the larger generalized theories and more ‘political’ implications of this kind of research, although I’m sure he was intelligent within the proper purviews of his work.

To state that Jesus was not political is to deny the political implications of how he lived and what he taught. Do you suppose he was unaware of those? According to the canonical gospels he advocated a word that is translated “kingdom” which is a kind of political system. (Divine theocracy?) Unless the gospel authors made that up, it proves that he was political. Now what were his politics? Intelligent minds disagree. Who knows?

Amazing. This place is even worse than I imagined.

The Kingdom of God that Jesus talks about has nothing to do with politics. Literally nothing. But I wouldn’t imagine a mentally dead atheist with zero spiritual understanding or inclination would be capable of understanding that. I suppose you see the word “kingdom” and think “MuH PoLitIcAL IdEoLoGy” or some such nonsense.

As usual, atheists have zero to add to any conversation. Keep trolling, maybe go look for more “implications” I guess. Or keep ignoring what I actually wrote.

Nice to be able to build up a quick list of those here who are intellectually incapable of even responding to what I’ve said. For now on I’ll simply ignore you.

Honestly how people tolerate this I don’t know. I guess they’re part troll themselves eh.

“For now on I’ll simply ignore you.”

Okay, ditto :smiley:

Darn. If only the Christians here could at least come to a definitive conclusion regarding their own God.

That way they could pit Him against the definitive conclusions arrived at regarding all of the many, many other Gods there are out there or up there to place wagers on.

With, for example, so much at stake.

Then when the God is finally pinned down, we can go back to my own main curiosity here:

[b]Why did God create a planet prone to “natural disasters” that devastate the lives of millions year in and year out? Why did God bring about the occasional “extinction event”? Why did God create viruses and countless other horrific medical afflictions that take a terrible toll on the flocks down here.

On children for example: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_c … _disorders[/b]

Sure I’m the only one here who actually made a point, and articulated and explained it. But now the many trolls circle, understanding nothing and responding to nothing.

If this place is just another shithole troll forum for retards then I’ll be on my way. Until then you might want to, oh I don’t know, actually make a fuckin point.

Funny how you can ignore everyone someone says to you, while at the same time pretending like that’s what they did to you.

Allowing so much troll behavior here isn’t a good sign. This forum isn’t rating highly so far.