a new church

[turtle]

@phyllo

I’m not sure about which beliefs (oops, that should be non-beliefs) you are promoting through this ‘organization’.

Golden Rule - okay for a start.

What else? A lot of what you wrote was about things you are dropping.

what do you suggest…the most important actions are dropping the Christian delusional system…this new thing will eventually
be the norm…Christianity dogma and religiosity and doctrine will be gone…it already is happening

[phyllo]

You don’t built something new solely on the negative, on the dissatisfaction with the old. You need an active positive message.

[turtle]

@phyllo

You don’t built something new solely on the negative, on the dissatisfaction with the old. You need an active positive message.

I am asking for your ideas phyllo…this new thing will be created by us…you mentioned the golden rule …I like that…we need to get rid of all that old bullshit…it is killing us…

[Artimas]

@turtle

@Artimas

@turtle

the new church is really for atheists and agnostics…no god…not supernatural…no miracles…
I personally have trouble with the word soul…if it implies some spooky stuff about heaven it has to go…

I look at the soul as energy, perhaps memory, the deep down humanity that all of us have, no matter how conformed or socially influenced/engineered one is.

why even use the word soul…lets get rid of it…also you are right about the word church…it needs to go…what ideas do you have for a word

Well I guess the word soul in the terms of immortality does not work. But there are many definitions of it I suppose.

soul
sōl/Submit
noun
noun: soul; plural noun: souls
1.
the spiritual or immaterial part of a human being or animal, regarded as immortal.
a person’s moral or emotional nature or sense of identity.
“in the depths of her soul, she knew he would betray her”
synonyms: spirit, psyche, (inner) self, inner being, life force, vital force; More
emotional or intellectual energy or intensity, especially as revealed in a work of art or an artistic performance.
“their interpretation lacked soul”
synonyms: inspiration, feeling, emotion, passion, animation, intensity, fervor, ardor, enthusiasm, warmth, energy, vitality, spirit
“their music lacked soul”
2.
the essence or embodiment of a specified quality.
“he was the soul of discretion”
synonyms: embodiment, personification, incarnation, epitome, quintessence, essence; More
an individual person.
“I’ll never tell a soul”
synonyms: person, human being, individual, man, woman, mortal, creature
“not a soul in sight”
a person regarded with affection or pity.
“she’s a nice old soul”
3.
African-American culture or ethnic pride.
short for soul music.

I agree with

emotional or intellectual energy or intensity, especially as revealed in a work of art or an artistic performance.

But I suppose I agree, perhaps a new word if not just energy for “soul”.

[phyllo]

I am asking for your ideas phyllo…this new thing will be created by us…you mentioned the golden rule …I like that…we need to get rid of all that old bullshit…it is killing us…

I don’t think that I can contribute anything. I don’t believe that the universe is soulless.

You need to ask the atheists for suggestions.

The Golden Rule is fairly limited.

[Artimas]

@phyllo

You don’t built something new solely on the negative, on the dissatisfaction with the old. You need an active positive message.

You build something great to gain traction to render the old obsolete. The old is already becoming obsolete.

“You never change things by fighting the existing reality.
To change something, build a new model that makes the existing model obsolete.”
― R. Buckminster Fuller

[Artimas]

@phyllo

I am asking for your ideas phyllo…this new thing will be created by us…you mentioned the golden rule …I like that…we need to get rid of all that old bullshit…it is killing us…

I don’t think that I can contribute anything. I don’t believe that the universe is soulless.

You need to ask the atheists for suggestions.

The Golden Rule is fairly limited.

By soul, do you mean energy?

[turtle]

@phyllo

I am asking for your ideas phyllo…this new thing will be created by us…you mentioned the golden rule …I like that…we need to get rid of all that old bullshit…it is killing us…

I don’t think that I can contribute anything. I don’t believe that the universe is soulless.

You need to ask the atheists for suggestions.

The Golden Rule is fairly limited.

wait a minute…what do you mean by the universe and the soulless thing

[phyllo]

By soul, do you mean energy?

No.

[phyllo]

You build something great to gain traction to render the old obsolete. The old is already becoming obsolete.

“You never change things by fighting the existing reality.
To change something, build a new model that makes the existing model obsolete.”
― R. Buckminster Fuller

Okay. I’m asking to see your new model. Or at least sections of it, since it’s not complete yet.

[Artimas]

@phyllo

By soul, do you mean energy?

No.

So then define soul.

[phyllo]

wait a minute…what do you mean by the universe and the soulless thing

I mean that purpose and intent permeates the universe. But enough about my shtick.

Back to your NEW organization…

[turtle]

@phyllo

You build something great to gain traction to render the old obsolete. The old is already becoming obsolete.

“You never change things by fighting the existing reality.
To change something, build a new model that makes the existing model obsolete.”
― R. Buckminster Fuller

Okay. I’m asking to see your new model. Or at least sections of it, since it’s not complete yet.

ok I am telling you I don’t have a model…I am asking for your help to build a model…you are absolutely right… you need a model…
but can you answer my question about the soulless universe…what are you talking about…that will help

[Ierrellus]

The question that should be asked is–what can I do to make things better?

[phyllo]

So then define soul.

Not interested.

Please carry on with your NEW organization discussion.

[turtle]

@phyllo

wait a minute…what do you mean by the universe and the soulless thing

I mean that purpose and intent permeates the universe. But enough about my shtick.

Back to your NEW organization…

not so fast…this will help with the new model…purpose and intent in the universe…what do you see…

[phyllo]

but can you answer my question about the soulless universe…what are you talking about…that will help

Why would my understanding (or misunderstanding ) help with your NEW church?

[Artimas]

@phyllo

but can you answer my question about the soulless universe…what are you talking about…that will help

Why would my understanding (or misunderstanding ) help with your NEW church?

We already discussed it wouldn’t be called church. Something else.

[turtle]

@phyllo

but can you answer my question about the soulless universe…what are you talking about…that will help

Why would my understanding (or misunderstanding ) help with your NEW church?

it is not my new church…it is an idea…it is new…it is not a church…I want you to help build a model for this new idea…I am just presenting this idea of reformation…something people can believe in without being non-rational…

[phyllo]

I think that I am very rational. The fact that I see more connections, more patterns, than the average atheist gets me labeled as delusional.