not christian…no god…no worship…ordinary people without reporting to higher authority…one of the persons studied would be jesus…another would be Buddha…jesus would be human…the bible would be a history book…the new female jesus would visit and give seminars…the people in the church would decide how to behave…they might have a discussion group on the golden rule…
what do you think…would this be for atheists, agnostics, and secular humanists…
Again and again and again: for most folks, to think or to speak about religion and God will eventually lead them around to this:
Which of course most of the True Believers have had crammed into their heads from birth.
Anyway, any new church had best be prepared to get around to these things too. Otherwise, the discussion usually devolves into just another exchange of mental masturbation. In other words, dueling deductions and definitions.
good response…this church has no god…no god…all of these things are dealt with in the Christian church…this is not the church for true believers.
Me, whenever I meet a true believer, these are the things that I bring up. But then I’m not what many here would call a “serious thinker”. I’m just not able to reduce God and religion down to definitions and deductions.
do you think you are a serious thinker…the hell with the others…there is a good reason to see jesus as human…the guys made him into a diety so that the power structure could control our behavior…it is very important not to get delusional over a god
This reminds me an episode of TV serial Bostan leagl, when Alan Shore presents a black activist in the court as an evidence in favor of a gay Santa Claus.
with love,
sanjay
Or… people could not go to a structured/organized church since that’s what religion is, and just think and be spiritual on their own, individually.
If people conform and all are the same, where does difference/new derive? Structured/organized church conforms people.
A basic understanding of spirituality vs religion. I don’t agree with terms such as “divine” and what not though.
The papacy (in essence) is the accepted and cherised supremacy of one conscience over all other consciences, on one will over all other wills. Cardinal Mercier, Belgium.
For every human creature it is necessary for salvation to be subject to the authority of the Roman Pontiff. The Catholic Encyclopedia.
…and override the power of the Church of Rome?
In his 1995, Pope John Paul II said he intends to "promote every suitable initiative to increase the unity of all Christians until they reach full communion and to encourage the efforts of all who work for the cause of unity, to cultivate an authentic spiritual ecumenism through the Virgin Mary.
For every human creature it is necessary for salvation to be subject to the authority of the Roman Pontiff. The Catholic Encyclopaedia.
Faith Pot-Pouri is a survival technique, it mixes Christianity, Universalism and Exclusivism.
My thinking here is more…existential. If there are those who do wish to pursue God and religion and the church scholastically, academically, theologically etc., that’s fine by me. I’m just more interested myself in how they are able to integrate/implicate/situate their definitions and deductions…their analysis…into questions that do revolve around such things as immortality and salvation. And around the question, “how ought one to live?”
Or, perhaps, as one get’s older, there is just a natural tendency to become more preoccupied with the practical aspects of one’s “soul”.
Imb,
You are slightly mistaken about the purpose of the religions.
Like you, the only question that mattered for the religions all along was/is precisely how one ought to live?
But, to know that, one must know what exactly he is, in the first place.
Otherwise, there is not way to find the answer to the first question.
What one is - body, mind, soul
What to do with it - morality
There is no hidden or complicated agenda. Everything is plain and simple.
with love,
sanjay
the new church is really for atheists and agnostics…no god…not supernatural…no miracles…
I personally have trouble with the word soul…if it implies some spooky stuff about heaven it has to go…
this is a new church…we are going to call it the NEW CHURCH because we don’t like the old church…if you don’t like the beliefs
here don’t come in…we are tired of arguing with the god people …they believe in supernatural and miraculous stuff…we don’t…
I look at the soul as energy, perhaps memory, the deep down humanity that all of us have, no matter how conformed or socially influenced/engineered one is.
But perhaps the word church is throwing people off… because when I look up the definition of church I find mostly
I think before we do these things, we should redefine our language and it’s usage. A lot of people get confused over simple language, but then again perhaps it is not so simple. It is very confusing, we need better terms for this modern age. But that’s just my opinion I guess. Language derives out of influence, so to have a positive and well looked at influence we must master the usage of it.
I agree with
Perhaps.
What answers does your new church give to the usual questions? :
How did the universe get created?
Why am I(we) here?
What is the purpose of my(our) life?
What happens after I(we) die?
I’d answer with.
The Big bang, but that could change, regarding new found evidence. Perhaps of which is a giant atom exploding and expanding in all direction, but that is just theory.
To contribute to the universes expansion through your own subjective individual experiences.
To experience, positive and negative alike.
Death comes before life. We cease to exist physically (death). We are then born and manifested into physical beings through birth to live and experience in a physical world/reality (life). We then “die” and cease to exist physically once more (death). So perhaps go back to the universe (energy) and go back to the earth/flora through degradation of body (matter/physical).
You’re a member of Turtle’s NEW church?
why even use the word soul…lets get rid of it…also you are right about the word church…it needs to go…what ideas do you have for a word
phyllo are you interested in the new thing…this is a new thing for persons that are thinking rationally…the word church is gone
I’m not sure about which beliefs (oops, that should be non-beliefs) you are promoting through this ‘organization’.
Golden Rule - okay for a start.
What else? A lot of what you wrote was about things you are dropping.