A new view of evolution and religion

I am exhausted after a long day of work, but
I have a thought…

In thinking about spirituality, the belief in a god or
a spirit world, in an evolutionary sense, that makes
perfect sense for a new species on the rise…
that creating a god, which is what the original members
of the species did, it makes sense… the world is a dark
and mysterious place that really makes no sense…
if you think about it… the inclusion of a divinity,
a powerful source of magic, that can, relatively so
make the world make sense… the crops fail, and
the answer in this world is we have displeased god,
floods that take out entire villages, god is mad
at us…we can explain the woes and tribulations
of the world with an explanation about god…
and given our evolutionary place at that time, it makes
sense to ‘‘blame’’ a divine presence for our misfortunes…

But today, we have solid and rational explanations for
most acts of nature… a storm destroys our crops,
we don’t have to bring in a supernatural explanation…
the recent flooding in Texas, doesn’t have to come
from god or some other metaphysical explanation…
We can, with science explain the flooding…

I contend that this comes from our continued
evolutionary development… just as infants can’t
do anything at first, but over time develop into
children and then teenagers and then adults…
this evolution of children is also seen in the overall
development of our species… we come to science
from religion as part of evolution…exactly the same
way children grow from infants to adults…

this path of religion is an ancient one… for example,
as I have previously explained… that the belief
in god didn’t come first… it was the second stage of
our development…not the first… so, Kropotkin,
what was the first stage of religion?

Ever watch children… and something will move into their
eyesight, but they don’t seek answers as to why that event
happened, they simple accept it… the first stage of religion
is what I call the Magical stage… there is no cause and effect
for children… stuff just happens and that’s it…
no wonder where it came from or how it got there…
children just accept it as magic… no sense of cause
and effect… that is the first stage of religion…
the second stage, the one we are still in,
that god/a metaphysical cause created us, the sky,
the world… suddenly, we have cause and effect…
something happens and we can see cause and effect
in terms of a god creating that event…

that is the second stage… and what pray tell, is
the third stage… we better understand cause and
effect… and we create science to study that cause
and effect… no longer do we just magically accept
reality, nor do we seek out a metaphysical explanation…
we can find our cause and effect of existence within the laws
of science and the within the role of natural forces that
dominates the universe…

the current secular age is simply the third age of human beings…
where we have moved from magical thinking to god/metaphysical
to being able to explain the universe in terms of science and
reason… and for a while, we shall be engaged in this
age of science… but what is the next age?

the next age, as I see it, will be where we are the creators
of our reality…today, we can explain it, but we can’t create it…
and the next stage will be the age where science creates our
reality…the first step of this new vision actually came from
Kant… when he took our vision of the universe, which
was from the outside in, to our vision becoming inside out…
we no longer see reality as being outside of us…
we are beginning to understand that reality, our vision
of what is real, comes from our own viewpoint, our own
understanding comes from the inside of us, not from
the outside in… and what will be this next step?

Where we can view reality from either the inside of us,
or from the outside of us… we can shift our perspectives
to either within us or outside of us… and we can do this with
ease in the next step of evolution…we can even, with
training see both sides, from within and outside of us…

Today, as we have for millions of years, passively waited
to see what would happen to us… we don’t institute
change, we simple react to change… but in the new
world, one moved along by evolution, we begin to
be the creators of our change…if you want a better world,
you have to be the creator of that… you have to make it
happen… it doesn’t happen magically or through god,
but change happens if, if we become the change we
want to see…This new idea is a radical change over the
past millions of years… the ancient world, simply reacted
to change, Marcus Aurilias… for example, preached stoicism,
the acceptance of change through clinched teeth…

but no more… we don’t have to wait for the change to
happen, we can simply be the change… for millions
of years, human beings passively waited out the change
that was happening… grin and bare it… but no more…
the next evolutionary step will be active in creating
our future…not as we have done for a million years,
which is wait for the change, passively…
evolution requires us to no longer be a passive vessel,
for us to wait for the end… nope… our next
step in evolution is to be active and creators of
our world, our times, our universe…

can you give up your metaphysical beliefs and grow, as
evolution requires us to grow, into active, creating beings,
that are willing to change the world…

In case you weren’t paying attention, this change of
becoming active in one’s own life is part of being
Liberal… liberals don’t wait for the change to happen to
them… conservatives wait for the change to happen,
and they are convinced that whatever change happens,
is out of our hands and only god can make
worthy changes in our lives… thus, they hang on
to tradition… if it is good enough for our grandfathers,
it is good enough for us…passively waiting out
change instead of initiating it… creating it…
being part of change, and not as the usual
conservative being, who just simply waits for change to
happen… the evolution of human beings comes
into play where we no longer passively wait for change,
as conservatives always do… we become the change we
want…

Kropotkin

the Kantian question, ‘‘What am I/we to do?’’
is the question I wish to deal with here…

the first stage of religion has no cause and effect, thus
there is no such thing as sin… or the question,
''how am I to be saved?" that is a second stage question…
a stage we are still in, after a million years, we haven’t
gotten very far… but what is the third stage?

In our secular world, the question of, ‘‘how am I to be saved?’’
doesn’t exists… it is unnecessary…for we don’t need to
be saved, from ourselves, or anyone else… the traditional
idea of being saved stems from religions… but if we remove
religions, then we have no need to be saved… I am not
born in sin, nor am I in guilt, about anything… …
I do not sin… I simply make mistakes… and hopefully
learn from those mistakes… that is all… that is
all the theological training one needs… belief in sin is not only
unnecessary, but is downright harmful to us… it leads
us to take dumb and outright dangerous actions…
the mother who kills their children to protect them from
committing sin, that type of thing… I am willing to
bet that a large majority of harmful actions come from
a religious standpoint…

I am willing to bet that clown that stabbed people in Walmart,
had a very religious childhood… like the person who blows up
a planned parenthood building… god commanded me to do so…
they will say… I am absolved from sin through my actions of
protecting the lives of the unborn… and the deaths caused from
the building blowing up? Evil types that deserve it… a very
religious attitude, if I do say so myself…

the next step lies in the understanding that we don’t need
to be saved, we just need to improve our
failings… a belief that is outside of religion… and in
line with the new evolutionary beliefs that we, not god,
and not metaphysical beliefs are what matter, the new
beliefs are that we, we are the standards of our beliefs…
that change, must come from our need to improve ourselves
and the world around us… and that we are the change
we want… that is the new standard… not passive,
nor is it god centric, but putting human beings back as
the center of the universe, not god, not any sort of mystical
or metaphysical beliefs… that we established what it means
to be right or wrong… that morality is human based, not
religious based…

and I am off to bed, I must be up at 4:00 am, to get to work on
time…

Kropotkin

Let me reflect on these very pressing questions and concerns, keter propotkin.

we are still in the Metaphysical stage.

There exists no rational explanation for Quantum physics. In my opinion “we live in a simulation” is currently the most rational and Occam explanation.

To continue… evolution is in charge… that is the
bottom line… as we age, grow older, it is part
of the evolutionary process… We don’t need to do anything
to progress from infant, to toddler, to child, to pre-teen to
young adult, to adult… Puberty for example, it is built into
our genetic structure… we don’t have to do a thing to
go through puberty…

But the same is true in terms of beliefs and values…
We tend to think of evolution as physical changes,
and yet, it is clear that part of the evolutionary process
lies in changing values and beliefs as we age and grow
older… As a very young child, magical thinking dominates
us… there is no sense of cause and effect within very young children…
but fairly quickly, by age 4 or 5, children are totally engaged in
cause and effect… Daddy, why is the sky blue? Why does it
rain? Why is the sun yellow? the internal change from
magical thinking into cause and effect thinking is part of
evolution… we don’t have to do anything to seek out
cause and effect within the world… it just happens…
as part of evolution…

and do we start out their math training with geometry or
calculus? Of course not, they aren’t ready… and that too is
evolution at work… many of the concepts we take for
granted as adults, has come to us from evolutionary
actions… evolution dictates when we are ready for
math or science, knowledge or even sex…

evolution dictates not only our physical bodies but our
mental capacities and abilities and talents and our
understanding of beliefs and thoughts…
the notion of inherited traits covers not only
our bodies but our mental, emotional, and
psychological traits…

we are who we are in large part because of
evolution… so, what is the next step?
knowing this, recognizing this…
also something that is inherited is instinct…
animals are born with instincts and that comes
from evolution… and we too are born with
instincts… the trick for us human beings is to
overcome our instincts…
The further away from instincts we get, the closer
we become human… overcoming instincts is
the path to becoming human… the greater choices
we have, the closer to becoming human we are…
instincts are about forcing us into actions, regardless if
we want to act or not…instincts remove choices
from us, being human is about creating choices…

evolution is about removing choices, and overcoming
evolution is about the choices we make… conscience,
thought out, rational decisions within the choices we have…
that is what it means to be human… not to follow our
instincts/evolution but to make choices regardless of our
instincts/evolution… that is what it means to be human…
What one is overcoming, in Nietzsche for example, is the
overcoming of instincts/evolution… to make choices,
not to be force into one action or another because
that is what our instincts/evolutionary programming tells us
to do…

so, what did you overcome today, what instincts or evolution
did you overcome? that is the question of being human…

Kropotkin

thats a very flawed take

A definition (yours) abominated by any real Conservative

Abraham Lincoln defined conservatism as “adherence to the old and tried, against the new and untried.”

“Liberty does not exist in the absence of morality.”
Edmund Burke

“They never will love where they ought to love, who do not hate where they ought to hate.”
Edmund Burke

And round it off with a former lliberal (though not as amoral as you) thoroughly modern

“The American liberal is certainly not averse to the power of the state, provided it is exerted by liberals, and exerted against conservatives.”
Roger Scruton

“The most important input into conservative thinking is the desire to sustain the networks of familiarity and trust on which a community depends for its longevity. Conservatism is what its name says it is: the attempt to conserve the community that we have”
Roger Scruton

“Liberals saw political order as issuing from individual liberty; conservatives saw individual liberty as issuing from political order. What makes a political order legitimate, in the conservative view, is not the free choices that create it, but the free choices that it creates.”
Roger Scruton