A nod to Phyllo

[WendyDarling]

I agree Biggie, moderators needed.

[Carleas, please recruit Postmodern Beatnik.]

[iambiguous]

@WendyDarling

I agree Biggie, moderators needed.

[Carleas, please recruit Postmodern Beatnik.]

Yep, that’s one way to get my ideas out of your head.

In the interim, while we are waiting for Joker to get back from lunch, why don’t we attempt to explore your own philosophy along these lines:

But there’s still this part:

1] there is a “real me” and there is a set of moral and political values that encompass objectively “the right thing to do”. You thought it was one thing, then another, then another.

2] there is no “real me” and there is no set of moral and political values that encompass objectively “the right thing to do”. Instead “I” here is embodied subjectively/existentially in dasein, in moral and political prejudices…in the arguments I make for it/this in my signature threads; and specifically in this thread: ilovephilosophy.com/viewtop … 1&t=176529 .

And this part:

Also, once you change your moral and political frame of mind, you are acknowledging that you were once wrong about the is/ought world around you. And, once you acknowledge this, you are acknowledging that, sure, you might be wrong again. You are acknowledging that, yeah, given new experiences, new relationships and access to new information, knowledge and ideas, you might be prompted to change your mind again. And again.

And this part:

So, what I suggest is that we focus in on a particular set of circumstances in which we can examine our respective moral and political philosophies. Given all of the points we raise above.

And, most important of all, I’m less interested in what you or I believed/believe regarding all of the things you and I were/are, and more interested in how exactly you and I would go about demonstrating to others that all rational men and women are obligated to think and feel the same.

And especially this part:

You [Joker] say that “here and now” you are a “polytheistic pagan Gnostic with an affinity for mysticism, the esoteric, and the general occult. I lean kinda towards pantheism.”.

Now, given all of the things that you say you are in regard to your moral and political value judgments, let’s zero in on a particular context, a particular set of “conflicting goods” in which as this you now choose one set of behaviors that you would not have chosen as one of the many things you once were previously.

As this relates to my own interest in philosophy: morality here and now, immortality there and then.

And as it relates to your interests.

What can I say: I DARE YOU TOO.

[Ecmandu]

Iambiguous, I would kick your fucking ass in a debate about your shit.

Don’t pick on others.

If you want to have a real debate, debate me.

I’ve barely started with you. And I’ve said quite a bit to you.

[WendyDarling]

@iambiguous

@WendyDarling

My frustration involves not being able to find and pull evidence forth from the internet, it’s completely missing or fees are involved. For instance, I wanted to know what charges China was tacking on to imports before 2018, nothing appeared about the past, rather only entry after entry of Trump’s trade deals with China. Grrr!

Uh, wrong thread?

Uh, no. You may not see the link but my nod to Phyllo who actually brought and used evidence, was explaining that I try to do likewise to prove my assertions or disprove the assertions of others to no avail without access to the goods online. KT, Phyllo, and Carleas all come to the party locked and loaded while most don’t.

[iambiguous]

@WendyDarling

@iambiguous

@WendyDarling

My frustration involves not being able to find and pull evidence forth from the internet, it’s completely missing or fees are involved. For instance, I wanted to know what charges China was tacking on to imports before 2018, nothing appeared about the past, rather only entry after entry of Trump’s trade deals with China. Grrr!

Uh, wrong thread?

Uh, no. You may not see the link but my nod to Phyllo who actually brought and used evidence, was explaining that I try to do likewise to prove my assertions or disprove the assertions of others to no avail without access to the goods online. KT, Phyllo, and Carleas all come to the party locked and loaded while most don’t.

my emphasis

Oh, yeah? Okay, demonstrate that by going here with me:

But there’s still this part:

1] there is a “real me” and there is a set of moral and political values that encompass objectively “the right thing to do”. You thought it was one thing, then another, then another.

2] there is no “real me” and there is no set of moral and political values that encompass objectively “the right thing to do”. Instead “I” here is embodied subjectively/existentially in dasein, in moral and political prejudices…in the arguments I make for it/this in my signature threads; and specifically in this thread: ilovephilosophy.com/viewtop … 1&t=176529 .

And this part:

Also, once you change your moral and political frame of mind, you are acknowledging that you were once wrong about the is/ought world around you. And, once you acknowledge this, you are acknowledging that, sure, you might be wrong again. You are acknowledging that, yeah, given new experiences, new relationships and access to new information, knowledge and ideas, you might be prompted to change your mind again. And again.

And this part:

So, what I suggest is that we focus in on a particular set of circumstances in which we can examine our respective moral and political philosophies. Given all of the points we raise above.

And, most important of all, I’m less interested in what you or I believed/believe regarding all of the things you and I were/are, and more interested in how exactly you and I would go about demonstrating to others that all rational men and women are obligated to think and feel the same.

And especially this part:

You [Joker] say that “here and now” you are a “polytheistic pagan Gnostic with an affinity for mysticism, the esoteric, and the general occult. I lean kinda towards pantheism.”.

Now, given all of the things that you say you are in regard to your moral and political value judgments, let’s zero in on a particular context, a particular set of “conflicting goods” in which as this you now choose one set of behaviors that you would not have chosen as one of the many things you once were previously.

As this relates to my own interest in philosophy: morality here and now, immortality there and then.

And as it relates to your interests.

In fact I’m working on a new thread right now that I will post tomorrow on the philosophy board. A thread that examines a new movement here: The Coalition of Truth

[phyllo]

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False dichotomy

[Mr_J]

We can’t control the public narrative on the internet forum anymore, we’re losing control, quick, we need more moderation to put the dissidents, peasants, and general malcontents back into their place again!

That will show them!

[WendyDarling]

@phyllo

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False dichotomy

To me, Biggie, most posts?

Biggie, who aren’t you obsessed with? Half of your posts lately refer to KT, Zero Sum, Phone, and god knows how you pester pedro, and me. Chillax.

[phyllo]

@Zero_Sum

We can’t control the public narrative on the internet forum anymore, we’re losing control, quick, we need more moderation to put the dissidents, peasants, and general malcontents back into their place again!

That will show them!

So what did the “dissidents, peasants, and general malcontents” gain with this victory?

[iambiguous]

@phyllo

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False dichotomy

We’ll need a context of course.

[iambiguous]

@Zero_Sum

We can’t control the public narrative on the internet forum anymore, we’re losing control, quick, we need more moderation to put the dissidents, peasants, and general malcontents back into their place again!

That will show them!

Again, I have provided you and Wendy with a framework [above] in which to discuss what I construe to be your fulminating fanatic “narrative”. One I would venture to suggest is more conduce to a philosophy forum: where introspective intelligence actually matters.

But, again, from my frame of mind, you are too chickenshit to go there.

Why?

Here I can only speculate further. But I suspect it’s because in that sort of discussion you would be sorely exposed as just another “fulminating fanatic” with little or not depth in which to defend yourself.

Or, sure, you can go there and prove me wrong. Expose me as the fool. Come on, you know you are itching to, right? I’m thumping you here. Turn it around.

But: Can you?

Oh, almost forgot: a nod to Phyllo.

[iambiguous]

@WendyDarling

@phyllo

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False dichotomy

To me, Biggie, most posts?

Biggie, who aren’t you obsessed with? Half of your posts lately refer to KT, Zero Sum, Phone, and god knows how you pester pedro, and me. Chillax.

As promised, I created that new thread: ilovephilosophy.com/viewtop … 1&t=196576

So, pass the word on to any other members of the Coalition.

You and they can choose both the truth to defend and the context in which to defend it.

Here is an opportunity for the Coalition to at least expose me as an archenemy of the Truth.

[b][i]Look, I’m expecting some really deep thinking here, okay?

In fact, let’s make this thread the one that turns it all back around for ILP. The thread that actually brings philosophy back!![/i][/b]

Yo, Only_Humean, Faust, Moreno, Phyllo, Mo, carleas, zoots! We’ll be looking for you!!

[phyllo]

@iambiguous

@phyllo

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False dichotomy

We’ll need a context of course.

False dichotomy in all contexts

[iambiguous]

@phyllo

@iambiguous

@phyllo

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2

False dichotomy

We’ll need a context of course.

False dichotomy in all contexts

Context number one:

1] the Earth is flat
2] the Earth is round

or

Context number two:

1] Trump is a great president
2] Trump is not a great president

Or, sure, I am missing your point regarding what you mean here by a “false dichotomy”.

[Mr_J]

@phyllo

So what did the “dissidents, peasants, and general malcontents” gain with this victory?

Looks around at the present forum board Everything.

[Gloominary]

Wrong Thread

[iambiguous]

@Zero_Sum

@phyllo

So what did the “dissidents, peasants, and general malcontents” gain with this victory?

Looks around at the present forum board Everything.

This sure sounds like a chickenshit answer to me.

If he knows what I mean.

Or, sure, he can take up my offer above and put me in my place.

[Mr_J]

@iambiguous

This sure sounds like a chickenshit answer to me.

If he knows what I mean.

Or, sure, he can take up my offer above and put me in my place.

You’re really not worth the effort Biggie, Peter is more interesting than you are and that’s saying quite a lot.

You’re like a pre-recording that is on eternal repeat.

[phyllo]

@Zero_Sum

@phyllo

So what did the “dissidents, peasants, and general malcontents” gain with this victory?

Looks around at the present forum board Everything.

They trashed the place and now rule over the garbage pile. =D>

[phyllo]

Context number one:

1] the Earth is flat
2] the Earth is round

or

Context number two:

1] Trump is a great president
2] Trump is not a great president

Those aren’t actually contexts.

Whatever they are, there is a “real” component and a “unreal” component in the position that a person takes in both cases.