A question to an honest (= Materialist) Atheist

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Notice he never even manages to disagree since I have the quotes.

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Waiting…

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you are free to conclude whatever you like. Do you believe your conclusion here is correct?

684

Oh, sorry, yes, that was not literal. The very post you quoted had other categories of criticism, which you also quoted. So saying ‘it is like this is all it has left to be critical’ of you would lead some people to think you have poor memory. However, I realize it is weak central coherence issue.

685

Did any of “your” students like you?

686

I don’t know why you have repeatedly pointed out this kind no-brainer to me and others for years.

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Maybe poor memory, but, again, you will never know with the way you carry on here.

688

You’re such a coquette.

689

Have you ever worked?

690

Yes, it’s been a little project looking at your projections.

691

This has to be the funniest lack of self-awareness posts so far in the forums. Will he realize why? Will he admit it if he does?

692

You have never, here, supported and backed up your claim to know how to solve all the important human problems and get things to peace and harmony. If you ever bother to actually justify that claim, then it might be refuted. In formal logic and rational discourse, there is a massive distinction between an argument and a bald claim (an assertion).

If someone says, “There is a diamond the size of a refrigerator buried in my backyard,” that is a bald claim. You don’t “refute” it with a counter-argument; you simply wait for them to bring out the shovel or produce the support. If they don’t produce the diamond, and do not support the claim, there is not reason to take that bald claim seriously.

But, of course, you’ve said you’re not here to do philosophy, to justify your claims to us. You’re here to elicit evidence for your claims to prove these claims to future generations. And you live up to that in relation to us.

So, in this you can find the reasons we don’t assume, like you do, that we have the burden of proof even for your claims.

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I have never said absolutely anything about backyards or anything else of that nature.

My claims are to do with you human beings, which are not like backyards.

If you dug a little deeper within “yourself” ‘you’ will come to see that what I have been saying and claiming has already been proven True and Right.

LOL you have one of the worst comprehension skills I have ever seen in these forums. I write some things, you interpreted them to mean the exact opposite.

Have you ever considered changing your very ‘old ways’?

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It’s a serious problem that you think this even needs to be said.

Yes, it’s always other people’s responsibilities to find out things. That despite you never justifying the claim that you have the route to peace and harmony and understand why everyone is the way they are, etc., somehow you really did it. As you would say: this is a philosophy forum. You have never justified your claims, even going back to your first post as Ken.

You haven’t done that. You have not started a thread and demonstrated this via formal reasoning. Perhaps you can, but there is no reason for us to think you can, and a number of reasons to think you know less than you claim.

It’s not my fault if you can’t understand that when you say you are not here to justify your claims to us, this means you are not here to do philosophy. Certainly not with us. You are here, as you have said, to use us.

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I am just replying to the actual words that you say and use here.

I have informed you on many occasions about what to do if you really want to obtain clarification.

But, as I keep claiming, you are doing exactly what I have claimed stops and prevents people like you from obtaining clarity here. So, besides, once more you are missing the whole point, you are again presuming the exact opposite of what I have said and meant multiple times, you are also once more proving True and Right the point I am making and my very claims.

So, pretty please keep on doing exactly what you have been doing. you clearly do not want to look deep into “yourself” to see what you are doing here, so, and again, if you did, then you will, also, come to see that what I have been saying and claiming has already been proven True and Right.

If you do not want to dig a little deeper within “yourself”, then that is certainly not anyone else’s responsibility; that responsibility is yours alone “greenfuse”.

It would not matter one iota what I said and showed you, you have already chosen what you want to believe and accept, so if you want to find out and see what is actually True and Right here, which has already been proven True and Right, then you will have to take some responsibility, to say the least.

I have claimed what I have.

I have also claimed that I can back up and support my claim.

I have also claimed that absolutely no one could refute my claim.

LOL I have even informed you how you also can come to see the Truth of things here.

The rest is now up to you.

If this is what you want to presume and/or believe is absolutely True, then I, for One, am certainly not going to get in the way of any of your presumptions and beliefs.

Was there any anticipation or presumption that I wanted to here?

Great. you are doing, exactly, what I knew would take place. Thus, confirming further, exactly, what I have been pointing out and claiming.

I can only suggest to you what to do that will make all of this far clearer and far more understandable. I certainly could not and would make you take any actual responsibility at all here.

LOL So, the way you, the reader, interpret and infer what ‘I’ write is NOT your fault.

Now, ‘I’ understand ‘you’ even more.

LOL you have just once again provided another prime example of you “seeing” the exact opposite of what I have actually said and written here.

And, you are being used more easily, more simply, and more perfectly than i could have ever previously imagined.

you are actually, still, doing what i thought you would have changed quite a while ago by now. Which actually means you are, still, continually proving True and Right my claims ‘about you’. The more you talk and write here, the more you are accomplishing what I am using you for.

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And this is one of the signs that it is very unlikely you have the solutions to human problems. That you think that needed saying. The focus on words. This is related to your old confusion about how using non-literal language is somehow anti-philosophical - I say old since you now frequently use non-literal language nowadays, though perhaps you still don’t realize this. In any case, you never acknowledged you were wrong to consider it not belonging in a philosophy forums. This is another sign: an inability to acknowledge significant mistakes. It’s a fairly common human trait, but problematic when one is making the claims you do.

These kinds of shortcomings, coupled with the condescension is why people stop communicating with you. Which future generations would see if they gave a shit. Grandiosity: is another cult leader trait, and your posts are saturated with implicit and occasionally explicit grandiosity. Perhaps you think because you believe we all have access to The Mind you are not exhibiting grandiosity, but this harks back to the taking the words on the page as the interaction. Perhaps you think that because you think we can all come to realize The Mind, then you are not grandiose. But this is confusing what you get to do as the ‘one’ who found this out, coming to a place where others ‘haven’t’. The dynamic this produces and all the secondary gain. You’re not getting that the pattern of interaction is where you show yourself for what you are. What you are doing over time in interactions.

So, since most readers drop you nearly immediately, once they find out your not really here for philosophical discussion - not because you tell them, but because they notice this - you’re left with me and Altal, pretending you don’t get angry - despite sudden upticks of LOL and grammar and spelling issues and confused sentences when the patterns are pointed out, when you are not taken how you want to be taken. For me, it’s interesting because you are such a strange phenomenon, utterly incapable of openly learning. But also because you resemble to toxic voice that one can have ‘in the mind’ and also with out in real life narcissists. With most narcissists, those one meets in real life, it’s truly best to avoid them. Here every step goes slowly and it is not in the day to day life.

I know that unless you couple your current suffering with the limitations of your ‘solution’, nothing we say is ever going to lead to you questioning your beliefs.

You’ll never present the justification for your beliefs here, because the possibility of refutation would actually feel life threatening. We won’t see you start a thread where you demonstrate the future you described as Age will come to pass. You won’t start a thread where you justify your claim to know what the solution is to all important human problems.

We won’t see those threads because 1) on some gut level you know that you can’t do formal reasoning. 2) It would make you vulnerable, even though it is easy to pretend that criticisms to your reasoning failed.

So, here you are a sniping presence, blaming others for their beliefs leading to conflict when you only have conflicts with people and can’t even see the irony.

697

Okay.

From your perspective. “I presume “anew1” could not have the solutions to human problems”. When “anew1” writes words like, “I am just replying to the actual words that you say and use here”, this means, “This is one of the signs that it is very unlikely “anew1” has the solutions to human problems”.

So, what we can very clearly recognise and see here is another prime example of ‘confirmation bias’ at work, and at play.

Perhaps.

But, perhaps what is more likely, you still don’t realise that your own made-up interpretation, which you call “my confusion”, is actually your very own confusion only.

Without seeking out clarification, you will, again, never know.

LOL, LOL, LOL

Why would anyone acknowledge something False and Wrong to them?

LOL Imagine presuming or believing that one’s own personal view of something being a mistake is what everyone or anyone else actually agrees with. And, LOL what’s worse is presuming or believing that what one sees as being a so-called “significant mistake” is accepted by others.

This one has been a so-called “teacher” for so long that it laughably assumes that what it considers a “significant mistake” on the part of another must be acknowledged by the other as “their significant mistakes”.

you are absolutely hilarious here “iwannaplato”. Those “students” must have dreaded when they had to enter your classroom.

LOL Claiming that the other must “acknowledge mistakes” that only another “sees” is, literally, a very, very significant mistake. It is wrongdoing, which you will most likely not acknowledge. But, as you just acknowledged, it is a fairly common trait of ones like you.

What is also noticed here is that another fairly common trait of you adult human beings is you ‘try to’ “justify” your Wrong behaviour.

LOL Now you are claiming that you are not a person.

LOL you can’t stop “yourself” from communicating with me, even after you claim that you have put me on your ignore list, and even after you claimed to do it once again.

If this is what you notice and see, then great.

LOL Once again, this one assumes something that completely opposes what I view, yet it goes on about “perhaps …”.

LOL Again “greenfuse” you have to get your assumption Correct, before you move on to, “perhaps …” part, where you try your hardest to diagnose ‘me’. LOL only on the very, very rarest of occasions, you have interpreted my writings True and Right. But, even then, you would not even know where they are.

I will again suggest that you seek out and obtain actual clarity first, before you move on to absolutely anything else.

Notice how you are doing it, again?

you probably don’t, but, again, if you delved more deeply within “yourself” you will learn and discover far more than you know now.

But, again, is it ‘Me’ or is it ‘you’ who knows how and why everyone is the way they are?

By the way, it is ‘the patterns’ that ‘you’ and ‘I’ are doing here that is exactly what ‘I’ am using ‘you’ for, to show everyone as ‘the proof’.

Again, it has let its own presumptions and misinterpretations get in the way of the actual Truth of things.

Once again, you and “atla” can “notice” absolutely anything in the words I write and use here, but this never means that what you and/or “atla” “notice” and “see” is even remotely close to what I intended or meant.

One day, you and “atla” might come to learn and realise this irrefutable fact.

LOL Imagine if you were like ‘this one’ and you started believing that just by symbols on a screen you can “know” if the writer is angry or not.

The grandiose one must have of “itself” and feel about “itself” to believe that it knows better and more about another’s emotions than the other does, all from just ‘symbols on a screen’. Imagine how much of a God complex one would have to have to believe it can tell another, on a forum of all places, how the other feels, when the other has already informed it of how they are actually feeling.

Are you going to admit your huge and significant mistake here? Or, are you going to continue to believe that you are better and that you know, with absolute certainty, how another is feeling when you talk to them on an internet forum? Are you able to be open and honest here, or will your superiority complex not allow you to?

Also, if I tell you that you are not taking ‘my words’ on how they are actually being intended and meant, but you continue to claim that it is me who is mistaken and/or Wrong, then you are providing one of the best examples of ‘superior, grandiose, and God complex’,

If you can’t take my words on what they are saying and meaning, then so be it. This works perfectly fine and okay with me.

What we have here is another prime example of one of this one’s absolute beliefs.

To ‘it’ it is ‘I’ who is “utterly incapable of openly learning”.

If only it knew. If only.

So, once again, ‘it’ claims that it is best to ‘avoid me’, yet ‘it’ keeps talking ‘to me’, and ‘about me’ with others.
LOL If one claims to know it is best to avoid me, then you would think that they would do it, completely.

LOL Coming from ‘the one’ ‘with beliefs’, which, by the way, one of ‘those beliefs’ is that ‘I’ am, laughably, ‘suffering’. you make me laugh “greenfuse”. What is even funnier is you claim to ‘know’ this.

Now, one of your claims here is that I have beliefs. So, show the readers here how much you really know and inform them of what ‘My beliefs’ here are exactly.

If you will not, then why won’t you?

Once again, it expresses what it believes to be absolutely true. And, once again, what is believes to be absolutely true is based upon one of its own Wrong presumptions, once more.

If this is what you want to believe to be the absolute truth, then okay.

Okay.

I won’t now because if I did, then it would prove your claim here to also be False and Wrong.

I would not like to go against your beliefs here, as this literally is life-threatening to ‘you’.

So, even though it is ‘Me’ who has on many occasions said and claimed that I WANT TO BE QUESTIONED and CHALLENGED, and that I actually thrive on being questioned and challenged, you, somehow, managed to have concluded what you believe here.

But, please keep sharing ‘your beliefs’ with the readers here. They are helping me tremendousely.

LOL Now I ‘only’ have conflicts with others. you really are hilarious, “greenfuse”.

Talk about ‘irony’, here.

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Great contribution. No content. But I can see the appeal. 1) you haven’t claimed anything. 2) You played the playground ‘I know you are, what am I’, so you didn’t even have to think of a category that I might be in.

Oh, great. So, using non-literal language is fine in a philosophy forum to you?

You seemed to think it was ridiculous to not write literally only in philosophical forums: Perhaps.

Age wroteSo, why in a philosophy forum, of all places, where ‘truth’, itself, has far more importance than anywhere else, and where the only thing ‘we’ have, to work with, are ‘words alone’, why would you write some thing that you do not, literally, even mean?

But why not just say and write what is actually meant only.

Therefore, I suggest speaking and writing, literally, the Truth only, and not some metaphorical

But this is not a suggestion you follow yourself, let alone getting into the issue of dead metaphors.

Poor interpretation of English. Nothing in that sentence asserts that all people stop communicating with you.

Oh, no. Age got me. Oh…wait a minute. I already acknowledged my mistake there. I owned that. Me, I make mistakes and can admit them. Yes, yes you can admit typos and grammar mistakes. But nothing that might challenge your fragile ego.

So, what, a month later you bring this up? Pathetic.

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There has also been between now and a month ago, just like there were times between a month ago and ages before that. But, here you are still communicating ‘with me’, and talking ‘about me’ many, many months and maybe even years later.

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Non-response. Age points out the obvious as if this somehow is a response to my post, what he did in his previous post and how pathetic it was.

It’s interesting. There were three of my fairly recent posts you never responded to. That’s never happened before and certainly not three in a row. So, I re-posted two of them. Again, you opted not to respond. Given the nature of the those posts this confirms all that I have said. – ooh, it’s fun making Age-mysterious comments.