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1005

Anti-race, anti-ethnicity is also in the Bible. The same logic follows through Marx into liberalism and postmodernism.

In Scripture no racial or ethnic or cultural identity is recognized. All are equal beneath the god-head…same for the State in Marxism.

Secular nihilism, like postmodernism eliminates god becasue ti is the last source of division between humans….the goal is to create a global humanity, with no races, no gods, no culture, to divide them. Uniformity.

All these concepts are reduced to abstractions….or fashions one can purchase and then throw away and recycle.

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1006

“All are equal beneath the god-head…same for the State in Marxism.”

Is that your version of Marxism or Marx’s version of Marxism? It may be something you picked up somewhere in the philosophical halls of hot air.

What about people in a Marxist society is “equal”? You mean like having the same hair color or somethin’?

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1007

Equal in that they have no biological identifiers that will prevent them from belonging to a universal collective - Workers of the World Unite.

Maybe the hot air is in your head.

How else could a worker from Botswana identify with a worker in Taiwan, each one turning on their won elites as if they belonged to some kind of ideological cult.

As a example…..in world packs a beta and omega male submits to the alpha because they benefit, since they share genes with him and the pups he births.

If they were indoctrinated into Marxism they would feel closer to betas and omegas in other wolf packs, organizing a revolt against their respective alphas, and call themselves a proletariat of omegas and betas, that includes every world packs betas and omegas…..do you udnerstand”

They would turn against their own genealogy because, like you, they feel wronged by natural selction.

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1008

The religious cult of atheism believes in Santa Science RealUn.

Their science either started by magic or the starting philosophy +=- and -=+ that it adopts for it is incorrect.

Either way…it’s all BS.

We know that it’s impossible to cancel out attractive and repulsive electromagnetic forces so what is the Santa force electromagnetism? Also, what is the Santa force gravity? ….The word Gravity isn’t a force ….even atheistic scientist admit this….so why are they calling it a force?

1009

I never said I believe it is absolutely true.

I said what the Bible says. And all the Christians I see on youtube seem to be Bible literalists. But you portray a picture that Christians are supposed to just go to church for pretend, make-believe, that nobody really believes it. But what I see IRL is Christian literalists everywhere and that’s what most people see when they look at religion.

1010

That’s not even in the Old Testament or Genesis.

Genesis says God literally created the earth, case closed.

1011

Satyr is right. If people had no egos they would just be vegetables and zombies.

The problem begins when people’s greed is excessive, and when they don’t learn from history. If you look into 1800s history, most Capitalists believed in modest wealth limits. In today’s money that would be 10 million dollars. That means if most Capitalists, time-travelled to today they would view it as an absurdity for anyone to have more than 10 million dollars.

The other problem is all the viking crap, glorification of viking crap, glorification of Neitzche, etc. Every man for himself kind of mentality, amoral stupid crap. Its shitty software uploaded to questionable hardware. Wasting people’s time with stupid debates such as “does morality exist or does morality not exist”, stupid retarded crap.

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1012

you are looking at Marxism autistically, very autistically.

If you view Marxism more as an 80s movie, where a white action hero and a black action hero team up to save the day, then you may see it in another perspective. Right now it seems like you are looking at it as, Marx is some kind of super-villian with minions who demand a world racial melting pot to create a monorace Kalergi race.

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1013

I am looking at Marxism realistically…unaffected by the change in terminology.

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If this is over your head….that’s your problem.

Memes, like genes, evolve and morph….but they remain part of a continuum.

Spiritual nihilism becoems secular nihilism…..see those who deny free-will.

They’ve substituted salvation with freedom - retaining the metaphysical, Platonic definitions.

They’ve adopted the Schopenharean definition of ‘will’ as the ‘groundless grounding’…erasing god form the cocnept of god’s will, to retain will as a Platonic idealized Will, with our wills a mere shadow, illusion….

Marxists took the Abrahamic tale or messianism as a globalizing mission to ‘save mankind’ from itself, essentially….to make them turn on their own kind, because all the rich are part of a global conspiracy, inciting revolution agaisnt what?

Alienation from production, and form their own genealogy…..because the world’s poor are all pat of the same family and they will bring a world into existence where there are no races, no gods, no traditions, no genders to divide them.

In the Bible it states it….no Greek no Jew…all are equal beneath god…equally sinful…..proletarians.

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1014

That Spengler quote… some magnificent irony if i may.

Christian theology allowed for and assisted in the establishment of the monarchy tsarist state that Bolshevism opposed. Here’s the irony: Christianity was more essential to Spengler’s elitist ideology than it ever was to Bolshevism. In fact, all forms of monarchy, autocracy, and oligarchy are derived from and got started by the idea of divine order and an elect who should govern the State according to the will of god. These elect are the bourgeoisie… certainly not some kind of divine made-men as there are no such things. This class of bourgeoisie is divided up into specialized subclasses. Politicians (in the case that they are not also soldiers), royal families, property and land owners, and clergy.

This arrangement owes itself to and is given support by what is, in general, the ‘platonic ruler’ idea that has been around since ancient Egypt. Those monarchs and autocrats and oligarchs are those Nietzschean platonic “old socialists,” as he described Plato once, alluding to that reflection of the divine order in the organization of the State.

How do you like them apples? Now Spengler feels like he needs to take a shower because he’s fallen unwittingly into association with Christianity, and he’s embarrassed now… with his Bruce Willis lookin’ ass.

Now, while many Bolshevik peasants, workers, and soldiers were Christian, the intellectual architects of the Bolshevik movement were avowed atheists (Marx, Engles, Lenin, Trotsky) or fantastic liars who spent countless hours studying, debating and writing atheistic philosophy.

The rest of the post i can’t comment on because you’re in one of those intractable internal monologues where you’re arguing against a fantasy you have constructed out of your own unique (if somewhat bizzare) understanding of Marxism, theology, freewill, nihilism and what their relation to each other is.

Remember, the thought ‘god’ does not come out of thin air. It comes out of circumstances put into place only by a seriously fucked up society. One thinks, “Good god!” only when they are having too good of a time at somebody else’s expense or when they are suffering immensely enough to start wishing and wanting a better world beyond this one. The thought “god” is a declaration of praise and thanks from the healthy and fortunate and a desperate plea for help and redemption from the downtrodden and broke. Nothing more.

Under the rule of Bolshevism, there would be neither of these classes. If people entertained the idea of a god, it would be only for philosophical fun… not from excess or under duress as it has always been.

That about wraps it up so I’ll go ahead and do a mic drop then.

[drops mic]

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@promethean75

One could argue that the Old Testament or Torah gives rise for the justification in enslaving mankind. Many references where even God allows it.

In the Old Testament or Torah the concept of equality is lacking entirely altogether.

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1016

Yeah, and it goes way farther back than judaism and christianity, bro.

Think of it like this. Man has an imagination, so he’s gonna wonder what happens after somebody dies and he’s gonna construct an idea about what ‘life afterward’ might be like. That’s an instance of the oldest and first metaphysical speculation… entirely unphilosophical… he’s gonna have dreams of his uncle’s spirit running through a field with a spear or something, and from that, build a whole storyline.

But when man develops specialized language, the once crude and innocent metaphysical imagination of the dreamer becomes in the hands of the philosopher (that intellectual), a purposeful expedition to discover the secret hidden nature of the afterlife, of god, of man’s reason and purpose for being, etc. And we all know what happens next.

A ‘field of study’ is formalized in the sciences (of the day) called ‘theology’ and a specialized group of intellectuals perform administrative roles in their respective societies. But roles to what end? First, as the mediators between the commoners and the royalty… direct descendents or incarnations of god. The Egyptian guy whathisname is an example.

Seriously, that’s it. That’s all you did. Hang around the court or wherever as king arm-candy so the people would be like “damn bro must have some serious clout.”

From this point forward, the preservation, dissemination, and modification of theology follows the directive to perform that social mediator role between the exploited class and the property owning bourgeoisie.

Notice not until your homeboy Jesus showed up was there ever a religiously significant moment in which a religiously significant character is opposed to the State and the order of the bourgeoisie. There’s a reason for that; religious narratives and developments are always controlled by the intellectual class, so they naturally support and uphold the status-quo order of their day. God would never send a messiah to fight against the king, the empire, or the State because the State was the will of god. Duh!

Why, then, did this revolt against the State and its corrupt legislators happen in Rome? Because Rome was relaxed enough to allow for little religious pockets to develop among the lower classes and propogate themselves. Judaism is a collection of ideas in the heads of lower class Romans gotten from various foreign religious ideas that had been brought to and spread about the empire. Both Judaism and its modified Christianity are just rhizomes split from the polytheistic religious standards of an earlier period. Same for the other Abrahamic religions… only Zoroastrianism beat Islam to monotheism first.

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1017

There’s an old sayin’ that goes:

“Wherever there’s a priest a’creepin… there’s a king in a chariot a’beepin” or something like that.

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1018

The liberating power of Feuerbach’s critique of religious thinking is also the most dangerous thing because in revealing how man is only projecting his own attributes and characteristics onto an imaginary superhuman being, we find out that we already think this much of ourselves… that we believe we are godlike!; “yeah, that’s the christian god. He’s a badass just like me. Compassionate, virtuous, courageous, terrifying, rewarding, fair, etc.”

So then, if all there is is power and the possession of power lies in a capacity to act, those things that have the greatest capacity to act are the highest examples of being.

Bro, that makes even the littlest things godlike. If you so much as plant a single turnip or even do a load of laundry, you’re demonstrating a creative capacity to act and are therefore being godlike. How awesome is that?

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@promethean75

Buddha is older than Jesus though and even he criticized much on the general corruption of society as a former aristocratic prince.

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@Kallikantzaros

I wonder if you think Hesiod in his Theogony was Abrahamic discussing the differences between the Golden Age and the general corruption of the Iron Age. Even pagan authors discussed this general trend of corruption leading to the tyranny of slavery.

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1021

Of course, but Buddhism isn’t theistic so it couldn’t count as an instance of a religious narrative creating a messiah opposed to the State.

My point is that once human beings start doing the Feuerbachean shuffle they never invent a religion that makes their State look suspicious. I mean the State officials may be suspect but the structure of the State with its institutions and hierarchies of power is never questioned. Recall the Protestant revolution was almost wholly responsible for the ditching of the English monarchy and setting out across the Atlantic. You could call that a minor rehearsal of what happens when the bourgeoisie are called out as frauds and are found not to be the ambassadors of God with a divine mandate to rule.

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1022

You also claimed that God was on the “Council of Elohim that created Earth”. Genesis is a very different book than Exodus and the start of God’s pact/covenant with the Israelites though. I don’t believe in Noah’s Ark and the great flood though. Sounds like childish story tales to me, a good hook for the sole purpose of exciting the interest of children …whom the Bible was read to for centuries and centuries.

Greek Mythology, Hellenic cultures was/is superior though. The Abrahamic God is a ‘Jealous’ god because Abrahamism was/is inferior to Hellenism and Philosophy since its conception. The Pantheon, of the Bible, was the giveaway for me. It automatically means that Abrahamism isn’t a true ‘Monotheistic’ faith and that there are / always have been, other Gods at work and play in the equation.

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1023

Also I find it very interesting how the Year of Jubilee is, strangely, weirdly, no longer practiced…

Do Rabbinical Jews even practice it anymore? Doesn’t sound like a very ‘Jewish’ activity, to renounce all slaves and forgive all Debts… quite the opposite really. If the Sabbath is so sacred, then why is the Jubilee conveniently ignored and forgotten about?

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1024

… and the other thing that contributed most to the genealogical development of superstition was the various kinds of misunderstood sicknesses. Seizures, mania, schizophrenics, strange fetishists, bulimia, etc. All this had to be possession, obviously, not organic disease or abnormality.

If they had the science we have today, none of that stuff would have stuck, and a whole 500 year period of the evolution of religion would have lost half its ballast.

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