Aesthetics and Perception

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What is objective manliness?

  • Jesus Christ is The Man. (1 Timothy 2:5)
  • Jesus is a fisher of men.

Something was lost in the 1970’s. There was a Counter Culture and sex drugs and rock and roll. In 1950, grandpapa singing “This Little Light of Mine,” it may have been manly. In 1975, a college student singing “This Little Light of Mine,” was lame or a square. Traditional Manliness was being frowned upon towards being “Self-Centered Seekers of Pleasure.” In 2010 or so, the media was promoting Metro-Sexuals and alternate maleness. In 2026 there has been a big thing about transgrenderism. What is objective manliness?

Today, we have the internet. On the internet, there is a great multitude of videos. Vidoes from different time periods, and we can compare and contrast different aesthetics.

Personally, when I watch these videos, I am dwelling on God, and God’s Law. It is a form of meditation. I may have had a question, and I am seeking guidance or council. I looking to see God, and God’s plan or something objective. What is Manliness?

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I tend to become carried away with these types of ideas and things. We are brainstorming here.

I have found that towards finding Objective Manliness…it is in observing creation. What types of things are attractive to women? If you strip away the vanity and some false perceptions, what types of things are attractive to women?

  • They tend to like men who are confident. He is comfortable in his own skin.
  • You need to tease her to please her.

Given someone was a male leader, what qualities inspire other men to follow?

Jesus Christ was the type of man who could look at other men and say “Follow me,” and they followed. Jesus had a “Command Aura.” A Command Aura is gained through enduring and overcoming many trials, and potentially having had some scrapes with life and death. No doubt. No fear. Jesus Christ could not be seen as The Messiah, and Son of God, unless he was quite the man.

Brainstorming.

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How does someone develop a Command Aura?

Some men are naturally charismatic. Charisma is a part of a Command Aura, but only part. A Command Aura is something that can be developed. It is a matter of being a “Doer.” Thinking about it in Academia’s Ivory Tower, and talking about having a “Command Aura” as a theory, that is gross and wrong. Someone needs to be a doer. Go do. In doing, someone is learning and making decisions on the fly. In the moment.

Given a man has a history of victories and success, that is going to naturally draw men to him.

It is a sink or swim.

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What are Vanities?

Lot of people mistranslate or interpret “Judge Not.” A lot of the Law of Moses carried the death penalty. Many Jews may have been at the brothel or Temple of Baal. Many Jews may have been in adultery. Given they found someone in adultery, they may have scapegoated that person. Judge not, like someone was a Judge in a courtroom, lest ye be Judged.

A lot of people translate “Judge Not” into “Don’t judge me vainly.” There is something to that, but that is a different type thing.

In Christianity, there are standards. Someone was a No-go or a Go. They were a fail or a pass. They were in darkness or The Light of the Lord. (Ephesians 5:8) Jesus chastises and rebukes those he loves. (Hebrews 12:6)(Revelations 3:19) To chastise and rebuke, there was a standard. Did someone miss the mark? Pick yourself up and try again.

Someone who was vain, he may have been “Self-Centered.” He was a materialist. He needed his designer clothes to impress his friends. He needed his Ralph Lauren, and his Tommy Hilfiger. She needed her coach bags. His underwear had another man’s name on it. His underwear said Calvin Klein. That is weird. Why would your underwear have another man’s name on it? Many people in a Counter Culture influenced by Marx and Crowley of the 1960’s, they became materialists and vain. They became self-centered seekers of pleasure, looking to be hip and cool in other men’s eyes.

A man of God may have been “Plain as John the Baptist.” He doesn’t need brand names, and fancy things.

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An adult or an elder human male body.

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Who and/or what is God, exactly, and what is God’s Law, exactly?

Any so-called “manliness” really does not have much at all to do with God, Itself, nor with God’s Lore, (which by the way is spelled ‘that way’ and NOT ‘the way’ you spelled it).

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How and why? What does any so-called human made up thing called “manliness” got to do with God or even objectivity, itself?

By the way, how are ‘you’ using the word ‘Objective’ here exactly?

Are you talking about ALL or some so-called “women”? Also, are ‘you’ even able to define what “women” are exactly?

(The reason WHY ‘these people’ here are so confused is that they attach ‘things/attributes’, which could not even fit, to ‘things’ that they cannot even define and describe Accurately and Correctly.)

What so-called ‘false perceptions’ are ‘you’ referring to, exactly, here?

What are ‘you’ basing ‘this knowledge’ on, exactly?

For example, do ‘you’ describe “yourself” as a “woman”?

Do ‘you’ have a name or label for someone who is a so-called “given male leader”?

If ‘you’ provide ‘us’ with someone like this, then ‘we’ can provide ‘you’ with their qualities (if they have any).

Any “male” could look at other “males” and say, “Follow me”, and ‘they’ will follow; that is, if enough incentive to is provided.

Did “jesus” ever say, “Follow me”?

Lots and lots and lots of children have had to endure and overcome many, many more trials, and had many more scrapes with life and death, than “jesus christ” ever had, and some of them NO one follows. So, these things are NOT what any so-called ‘comman aura’ is gained from.

If this is what ‘you’ really want to believe is the absolute truth, then okay.

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Did ‘you’ not just tell ‘us’ that some so-called ‘command aura’ is gained through enduring and overcoming many trials, and, potentially, having had some so-called ‘scrapes with life and death’?

If, as ‘you’ are saying and claiming here, some “men” are born naturally charismatic, then this could imply that ‘those ones’ have a natural ‘command aura’.

Go do ‘what’, exactly?

Go and do “enduring and overcoming many trials”, or, potentially, have some “scrapes with life and death”?

But, again, doing ‘what’, exactly?

Are ‘you’ able to provide any actual examples?

If no, then ‘you’ are just babbling on, as some would call it.

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So, what are ‘vanities’?

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You are not here replying to me in Good Faith.

It is apparent that you have adopted a set of values that are set against God and Christianity, having lived in a society that benefited from the blessings of God. Harlotry is a thing in the Bible.

You asked a lot of questions. Pick one that you would really like to discuss? You were not here in good faith.

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When someone comments on every little thing I wrote, that they disagree with, instead of writing an argument and engaging with the concepts, it shows a lack of maturity. Someone may not have known exactly who they were.

Men derive their identity from their work or career. Many last names are titles.

Taylor.
Smith.
Wheeler.
Baker.

Those were careers. Someone was Gary the Taylor. A career is where the family name came from. Some people today are Mike the “Humanities Graduate Student with no Job.” They don’t really know whom they are. Men derive identity from their careers. Given someone was trying to find identity in Post-Modern Philosophy…that is worthless. It is subjective and doesn’t produce anything of worth.

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In 1912, the Titanic Sank. It is women and children first. Why? To men, even if it is subconscious, women and children mean hope and future.

In 2026, given a ship was sinking, men may be running over women and children to the life rafts. Why? Men became “Self-Centered Seekers of Pleasure.” Women lost their gender. Women are no longer ladies. They are no longer worthy of respect. They became females. They were genderless objects. They were THOT. You don’t bring sand to sand. Men had skewed perspectives about what is important.

If you love peace, prepare for war. All first world countries, at this time, the fertility rate is below replacement. That is dangerous towards the survival of nations or people’s. Post-Modernist person, he doesn’t care about that. He was just worthless.

Feminists have lost the ability to label themselves as women. They don’t know what a woman is. They are genderless objects. They are “Female,” at best.

A Woman is Proverbs 31. She betters quality of life.

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you are free to believe whatever you like.

you have detracted and deflected away from what I asked you because answering my questions openly and honestly would show and prove how far away you really are from God and all of Its religions.

To me, there were not that many at all, really. Also, notice the number of questions I asked was in relation to the number of claims you made.

Also note that you have not answered any of them.

Any one is fine with me.

you can pick any one you like. But, then again, you would have already done that if you were an open and honest person here.

you not being open and honest here has already demonstrated ‘you’, exactly.

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Imagine being this deceptive and scared that you come here, make claims, but do not any questions asked about your claims.

Coming from ‘the one’ who does not yet know the answer to the question, ‘Who am ‘I’?’

Who and/or what are ‘you’, exactly?

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Look at your cadence of how you are replying to me, compared to how I am replying to you. I don’t respond when you have a gripe to pick with every little thing you don’t like. You rejected God, and adopted a value system in conflict. In general, I don’t respond to those questions.

Accept the corrections and move on, or go away. I don’t care to talk about you, and how far you fallen short of the standards. We can talk about ideas and concepts. If you would like to talk about ideas we can.

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Look at how you respond. Contrary to your belief, I did not reject God.

Did you accept the corrections and move on?

Yet here you are.

To ‘your standards,’ ‘I’ have fallen very short.

Okay. What is your idea of God, exactly?

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You have made it very clear that you and I don’t have the same values.

You belong in your own society, separate from me, and people like me, where you can show people that you and your way is best. That is exactly what you should do.

You are not doing that? You have nothing to talk to me about.

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The Topic is Aesthetics and Perception.

Manliness in 1950 may have been grandpa singing “This Little Heart of Mine.”

Manliness in 1975 was people with long hair, engaged in sex, drugs and rock and roll. Was something stolen?

Jonah, like Jonah and the Whale, he is a prophet of God. He goes into Nineveh, Sin City, with a fear of God. What did Jonah do?

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God does and doesn’t perceive time like you and me. To God a 1000 years was like a day, and a day like 1000 years.

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Ballad of Saint Olaf.