All Or Nothing. A small bandaid on a giant bloody wound.

to say that is extremely short sited

you have No idea of those who are " inequal " of their potential THAT IS WHAT IS SO IMPORTANT to understand .

these people are NOT , NOT inferior , they are Human Beings after all

but at the same time I would not just hand them 100-billion dollars either

they have to show so gumpshun , some desire to become independent , some initiative to want to better themselves , some desire for independence

According to various markets and industries via class stratification or segragation within a society pronounced in judgement by intellectualism in educational academic institutions controlled by whole governments people in power very well do know the inequalness of other people’s marketable productive potential within a economical context.

What do you think about that? Where is your equality at in these situations? Is it hiding in these sort of situations, north?

Your idealized notions of “humanity” is a hypocritical one, north.

But isn’t the mark of their inferiority that they haven’t?

We can all speculate and fantasise about potential, but action - that is the true determiner of quality.

…it is society who had deemed them inferior in the first place, and then society who expects them to prove their worthiness of being equal - hurdles put in the way of others, me thinks! :unamused:

The sociotel merry-go-round/circus is a farce… Take control of others: then give back that same control, in measured doses.

One doesn’t need to speculate on what can happen but rather one learns much more in observing what actually does happen. :slight_smile:

well what of India , China , Taiwan and Japan all of whom started out making cheap stuff and selling it all over the world

because equality brings out the full potential for our being to succeed in their survival . I want our being to survive. and we are ALL important to just that . the ability for Humanity to survive and we , right now can contribute to this goal

above

just a vision of where we could and can be
for both the people of the country where the out sourcing is and the corps

again above

I’m not convinced of this. I don’t believe a truly equal society would be necessarily desirable or helpful.

Conflict and inequality are the nature of the universe.

Do you really think it would be an improvement were everyone the same?

What are you babbling on about now?

Screw martyrdom for people in the future I will never meet.

Your equality is a myth.

I think of your visions alot like I think of a homeless drunken old man in a alley street having a conversation with himself which through his delusions he believes he is having a conversation with divine god almighty from above who is giving him secret divine inspirations.

Which is why so many people hate mothera theresa (er, minus her envolvement with criminal families and etc). She went on and on and on about hjow abortion was the greatest evil in the world, how divorce and etc was wrong. She taught the most heinous nonsense in the most wretched of places, the only thi ng that could have even helped bring the standard of living even the tiniest bit up, was to give control of their own reproductive-cycle back to, the women, but thats not what that fuckeedd up religion teaches, and thats not what she shoved down ignorant throats.

The topic isn’t about Mother Theresa. The topic is about the equality of men or lack of. #-o

yes

yes and no

sometimes and really for the most part it is about the environment in which they live and the potential of that environment , that drives progress , innovation

China mannaged, it’s literally possible, and they don’t have hidden cameras in men’s pants.

If it became a moral value to be racially aware and eugenic, the people would even do this without much law-enforcement, they would only want for the wisest and healthiest to reproduce, so that the species could make progress.

I would instead assume that some people are stupid and weak, and through this a huge problem started.
Because the human mind is based on real matter, the nature of the mind is based on genes and preceedings, not made of ideas or spirit or god or anything else. So then the trouble is not because people have a certain idea, but that the brain has a certain kind of trouble. Living is based on inner capacities, and to live right one must be fully and properly formed. In the same way that a handicap can impair speech or walking, it can also impair existence and any other abstract live issue.

Inequality was never a problem. Sick and inept people are the ones whom suffer most, and only something like gene-repair or better eugenics can stop that from happening. People need to be more responsable and make sure each child is born with a good life instead of born with all kinds of fractional diseases.

sure 

but right now what else have we got fight against other than ourselves thats the paradox

there’s nothing " out-there " ( Being or Universe ) to fight against right now

hence we fight amougest ourselves

yes

respect

I’ve heard. [-(

I am against big government dickin around with people in their own bedrooms.

I have no problem with people putting preference within their own gentical race however I dislike eugenicism in that it seems like a warp form of morality in disguise of genetical “improvement”.

( I have no problem with interracial relationships either. =P~ )

I am all about relative preference Dan, you know me. Anything goes with me so long as I get to choose what.

I am one of those people who firmly believes that you can’t fix nature.

What is ,surely just is and that is how it will always be.

I also believe that there nothing to fix. Does that make me a naturalist in someway? Probally.

I think the bulk of the problems that we face as a species are illusional problems created out of our own self indulgent fantasies and that the imperfections of nature had nothing to do with it.

We ourselves are the problem Dan not genetics or the imperfections of man.

In any other species they leave the weak to die or to get murdered by others of the species.

I suppose there only exists a slight difference between you and me Dan.

You support some eugenical perception of ridding the population’s problems.

I on the otherhand support primitive anarchy and aimless relativity where the problem will be forced to sort itself out on it’s own without the need of any systemization at all.

or the stagnation of us by perpetual primative anarchy

Of course they are.

Inequality increases with time. Death and divergence are bedfellows.

Nothing galls me more than these middle-class, liberal anthropologists who paint human history as a series of uneventful migrations out of Africa caused by climactic conditions, when in fact humans were fighting and killing each other all the way. Ethnic conflict over land and resources is the determiner of human history.

It gives us something to do. Human beings, psychologically speaking, can’t just sit like a stump (though it’d probably be better if we could). Instead we need something to do. Since survival is a long since abandoned pass time, we use our reasoning skills to do just that: fabricate reasons to do things. Sometimes its a war on drugs, other times its a war on Nazi Germany, often times its a war of some kind or another.

Honestly, if people admitted to half of what they really knew they would no longer have reasons to do much of anything (myself included). Self-delusion gives fuel to the flames of reason.

gini Coefficient
Canada: 32.6

But if you think that’s unfair, just remember that Canada’s poverty-line (called the LICO) is twenty times the global median income.

Its because the people that want equality care about the people not the numbers. One person is better than none, the problem you have is that your expecting some great ending to a feel good film or something and because you know thats impossible you dont deem it good enough, but in the real world its an ongoing struggle. Its not about the happy ending.

Indeed. It is necessary to have something to strive against - in order for there to be any striving …

… is earned.