Americanism

[Lorikeet (Satyr)]

By who?
Freedom replaces salvation.
Money = Messiah.

Through the messiah’s interventions nature - the physical, tangible, natural world - is overcome in theory.
Paradise = Utopia.
Americanism = techo-utopia - Star Trek.
No work…hobbies.
No sexes, no genders, no races…no toilets.
Biology is overcome.

The Christ myth.
Christ is resurrected as pure spirit…he sacrifices the body, the tangible, physical to become pure ide/ideal.
Salvation means freedom form the physical.
Mind has no physical limitations.

American messianism was to “free the world”, metaphor for salvation, via money.

[obsrvr524]

From Wiki’s report on the word “communism” -

Communism came to be primarily associated with Marxism, most specifically embodied in The Communist Manifesto (1848), which proposed a particular type of communism.[1][29]

One of the first uses of the word in its modern sense is in a letter sent by Victor d’Hupay to Restif de la Bretonne around 1785, in which d’Hupay describes himself as an auteur communiste (“communist author”).[30] In 1793, Restif first used communisme to describe a social order based on egalitarianism and the common ownership of property.[31] Restif would go on to use the term frequently in his writing and was the first to describe communism as a form of government.[32] John Goodwyn Barmby is credited with the first use of communism in English, around 1840

Marx and Engels collaborated on the detailed structure on how to convert a capitalist system to a communist system - defining “communism” more precisely than d’Hupay and Lenin. So now “Marxism” is used as a scheme for creating communism - involving class (or race) distinctions and lower class/race violent revolution against the upper class/race with the aspiration of having no higher authority governing the all lower class/race people.

Communism is a provably flawed ideal (historically proven foolish many times) - but would-be emperor’s get a lot of power by using it to lead the ignorant against their foes - sheep and hyenas. That is why the globalists favor it and despise capitalism (the ONLY reason).

[Lorikeet (Satyr)]

Memes are gene specific.
Memes = ideologies spiritual dogmas, morals, principles, values etc.

These are the product of a population, with specific genetics (past) interacting with its environment.
Mems can be transmitted, like genes, but they mutate according to where they gestate. The recipient changes the transmitted genes and memes.
That’s way democracy could only have emerged in Greece…and Nazism only in Germany.

Therefore ethnicity is vital.
What is the common ethnicity in Marxism and Christianity?
Is this insignificant or coincidental?

Especially if you don’t believe in free-will this is more important.

[Lorikeet (Satyr)]

Communism is perfect on paper…but not in application.
It cannot be applied to a species such as man.
Man would have to devolve to the level of an ant or a bee. Communism is perfect for those species and that is why they flourish under its principles.

[obsrvr524]

@Lorikeet

By who?
Freedom replaces salvation.
Money = Messiah.

That was like the old - pro-America narrative.

Today’s US (now being run by the anti-American socialists) preach against the very idea of freedom and against any effort to acquire money (so the socialists destroy money by giving it away in huge quantities while they acquire real estate to remain extremely wealthy - it’s a trick to impoverish the labor force and keep them dependent).

@Lorikeet

Communism is perfect on paper…but not in application.
It cannot be applied to a species such as man.
Man would have to devolve to the level of an ant or a bee. Communism is perfect for those species and that is why they flourish under its principles.

That is exactly true.

[Lorikeet (Satyr)]

No conspiracies required.
You’ve heard of Dawkin’s “selfish genes”…well what if there were also “selfish memes”…infecting minds making them do and think contrary to their well-being, because the meme’s reproduction is the motive not the host’s.
An ideological parasite that entered the American bloodstream during the early part of the 20th century.
Zombification followed.
Zombification is not a movie construct it happens in nature.
The host’s brain is penetrated by an organism that masks tis identity. Then it takes over the host and makes it behave in self destructive ways…

The same can occur memetically, ideologically.
What matters is the propagation of the meme, the ideology, even at the cost of the host, the carrier parasite, the organism, the physical being.

Get it?

America was infected before and after the world wars. American was never herself ever since.
Kennedy was the last president top attempt o be a president. By that point the infection was too powerful.

[Urwrongx1000]

[i]Every.

Single.

Time.[/i]

[Gloominary]

There’s more than one America now, and everyone knows it’s growing more divided by the day, like how it was in and around the revolutionary and civil wars.
I don’t see this as a left/right thing, so much as a national liberal populist/global authoritarian elitist thing.
If you really want to simplify it, there’re Americans who believe America should exist, and Americans who don’t, full stop.
That’s how bad it’s gotten, like during the revolutionary war, a 3rd of Americans thought America should declare and fight for its independence, a 3rd thought it should remain a British outpost, and a 3rd were ambivalent/apathetic.

The people who believe America should exist are a pretty diverse group of people, and not all of them are right leaning (altho a majority of them are), some are centrists or left leaning (but not far left), however they still believe America should exist as a sovereign nation state with borders, as a liberal democratic republic with a constitution, 3 branches of government and states’ rights.
Then there’re Americans, like Pete and Prom who openly hate America, or have been duped by shitlibs, and neocons like the Bushs and Cheneys into believing the political and economic establishment doesn’t hate America, that Biden, or rather Klaus Schwab’s build back better great resent vaxxine mandates aren’t really about destroying America and rebuilding it from the ground up into a UN outpost, when in fact they are.
America, just like Canada and the rest of the west is fighting for its life, but most people haven’t figured it out yet.
All will be revealed in time, but by then it may be too late.

[WendyDarling]

@Gloominary

There’s more than one America now, and everyone knows it’s growing more divided by the day, like how it was in and around the revolutionary and civil wars.
I don’t see this as a left/right thing, so much as a national liberal populist/global authoritarian elitist thing.
If you really want to simplify it, there’re Americans who believe America should exist, and Americans who don’t, full stop.
That’s how bad it’s gotten, like during the revolutionary war, a 3rd of Americans thought America should declare and fight for its independence, a 3rd thought it should remain a British outpost, and a 3rd were ambivalent/apathetic.
The people who believe America should exist are a diverse group of people, and not all of them are right leaning, altho a majority of them are, some are centrists or left leaning (but not far left), but they still believe America should exist as a sovereign nation state with borders, as a liberal democratic republic with a constitution, 3 branches of government and states’ rights.
Then there’re Americans, like Pete and Prom, who either openly hate America, or have been duped by shitlibs, and neolibcons like the Bushs and Cheneys into believing the political and economic establishment doesn’t hate America, that Biden, or rather Klaus Schwab’s build back better great resent vaxxine mandates aren’t really about destroying America and rebuilding it from the ground up into a UN outpost, when in fact they are.
America, just like Canada and the rest of the west is fighting for its life, but most people haven’t figured it out yet.
All will be revealed in time, but by then it may be too late.

Agreed. Why are people so complacent? I’ve been mulling over holding up signs somewhere with high traffic.

[Lorikeet (Satyr)]

I have a theory…
Bear with me.

1775— Independence
Civil War - 1860 ----about a century later.
American power reaches its apex between 1960 and 1990…a century after.
The mid point is 1970—

That’s 200 years, roughly.

Which means next Civil War of fragmentation, not unification will occur sometime between 2060 and 2090.
America will dissolve and what’s left will be absorbed into other states a century after - 2175—
The issue is Anglo-Protestans have become suicidal. It’s like they don’t want to be an ethnicity anymore.
From Canada to New Zealand.
Multiple reasons.
Read…
The WASP Question - Andrew Fraser
The Ordeal of Civility - Cuddihy, John Murray

[obsrvr524]

I think it is a matter of who is controlling the media - it takes generations to go from one stage to another (getting the young to rebel against the old) while making it seem as though the people were doing it all by themselves. That is why they hate Fox News so much - they keep getting exposed.

[Urwrongx1000]

At this point, I’d be surprised if “America” lasts another Trump presidency.

If the Far-Right doesn’t secede from the Union, then the Far-Left certainly will.

You all remember “CHAZ” and “CHOP” zones. The next ones will be much larger, and with armed revolutionaries. It won’t be pretty.

[obsrvr524]

@Urwrongx1000

At this point, I’d be surprised if “America” lasts another Trump presidency.

If the Far-Right doesn’t secede from the Union, then the Far-Left certainly will.

You all remember “CHAZ” and “CHOP” zones. The next ones will be much larger, and with armed revolutionaries. It won’t be pretty.

I think one of the great qualities of the US Constitution is that it removes the actual need to succeed - not 100% but substantially.

In the US the State governors have almost king-like power. It became obvious that they had all forgotten that back in 2020 - COVID brought them around (which is why they are now so pathetically sophomoric at their job).

Look at Texas right now - even though O’Biden is following the globalist immigration invasion strategy - Texas is growing in financial, political, and military might - they are reestablishing the State as it apparently once was - largely “independent” (as all US State used to be).

I think America is just getting woken-up to its real backbone - hopefully not too late - the globalists know they are in a race.

[Gloominary]

I want to come up with a more inclusive definition of Americanism, for in my estimation people are polarized enough as is…but not all inclusive, you have to draw the line somewhere, and I draw it well before Klaus Anal Schwab’s build back better.
Essentially Americanism is national liberalism.
All Americanists oughta have these things in common: America should exist as a sovereign nation state with borders, as a liberal democratic republic with a constitution, separation of powers and states’ rights.
Beyond that Americanism can be divided into several subtypes, chief among them:
classical/conservative liberalism, libertarianism and social liberalism.

1. Conservative Liberals (fiscally: libertarian leaning, socially: moderately conservative or populist (traditional white Christian family values).
2. Libertarians are pretty self-explanatory.
3. Social Liberals (fiscally: moderately progressive or populist (social welfare and workers’ rights), socially: libertarian leaning, not woke.

Here’s my narrative:

While republicans and democrats were of course always corrupt like anything, republicans use to loosely adhere to conservative liberalism and democrats to social liberalism, but gradually republicans got infiltrated and subverted by neocon globalists masquerading as conservative liberals while democrats got infiltrated and subverted by shitlib globalists masquerading as social liberals.

Of course conservative liberalism rather than libertarianism or social liberalism comes closest to the original liberalism of the US like the name suggests.
Today the overwhelming majority of conservative liberals are white Christians, but a few are nonwhite and irreligious.
Most of them are rural, working or lower middleclass but some are (sub)urban, middle or upperclass.

First and foremost they believe in the constitution, in free speech, gun liberalization and due process, in national sovereignty, the separation of powers and states’ rights.
Most are against further fiscal intervention other than to protect jobs from being outsourced to China, Mexico and other parts of the developing world and to prevent foreigners from buying up American housing, jobs and natural resources.
Think of them as national capitalists as opposed to global capitalists.
Most want strong borders, to close sanctuary cities and deport illegals.
Some are civic nationalists, others are white Christian nationalists.
Most are against nation building, preemptive and regime change wars.
Most are against abortion, euthanasia, CRT, gay marriage, transsexualism, drug liberalization and are tough on crime.
Lastly I want to mention most are against the technocrats’ medical apartheid.

Basically these’re the ‘deplorables’ Killary Shillary referred to in the republican party.

Up until recently, conservative liberals voted for neolibcon globalists like Reagan, HW and W, but in 2016 they opted for Trump instead.
Trump was wishy washy, he wasn’t a neocon, but he wasn’t a paleocon either, he was all over the map, which pissed shitlibs and neocons off, they hate paleocons, as well as people they can’t fully predict, and control.
For all his foibles, Trump was a step in the right direction.
If conservative liberals want their values represented at all, they’ll have to vote 3rd party, independent or at the very least outsiders within the republican party, otherwise they will lose their country to globalism.

[obsrvr524]

@Gloominary

I want to come up with a more inclusive definition of Americanism, for in my estimation people are polarized enough as is…but not all inclusive, you have to draw the line somewhere, and I draw it well before Klaus Anal Schwab’s build back better.
Essentially Americanism is national liberalism.
All Americanists oughta have these things in common: America should exist as a sovereign nation state with borders, as a liberal democratic republic with a constitution, separation of powers and states’ rights.
Beyond that Americanism can be divided into several subtypes, chief among them:
classical/conservative liberalism, libertarianism and social liberalism.

1. Conservative Liberals (fiscally: libertarian leaning, socially: moderately conservative or populist (traditional white Christian family values).
2. Libertarians are pretty self-explanatory.
3. Social Liberals (fiscally: moderately progressive or populist (social welfare and workers’ rights), socially: libertarian leaning, not woke.

Here’s my narrative:

While republicans and democrats were of course always corrupt like anything, republicans use to loosely adhere to conservative liberalism and democrats to social liberalism, but gradually republicans got infiltrated and subverted by neocon globalists masquerading as conservative liberals while democrats got infiltrated and subverted by shitlib globalists masquerading as social liberals.

Of course conservative liberalism rather than libertarianism or social liberalism comes closest to the original liberalism of the US like the name suggests.
Today the overwhelming majority of conservative liberals are white Christians, but a few are nonwhite and irreligious.
Most of them are rural, working or lower middleclass but some are (sub)urban, middle or upperclass.
First and foremost they believe in the constitution, in free speech, gun liberalization and due process, in national sovereignty, the separation of powers and states’ rights.
Most are against further fiscal intervention other than to protect jobs from being outsourced to China, Mexico and other parts of the developing world and to prevent foreigners from buying up American housing, jobs and natural resources.
Think of them as national capitalists as opposed to global capitalists.
Most want strong borders, to close sanctuary cities and deport illegals.
Some are civic nationalists, others are white Christian nationalists.
Most are against abortion, euthanasia, CRT, gay marriage, transsexualism, drug liberalization and are tough on crime.
Most are against nation building, preemptive and regime change wars.
Lastly, I want to mention most are against the technocrats’ medical apartheid.

Basically these’re the ‘deplorables’ Shillary Killary referred to in the republican party.

Up until recently, conservative liberals voted for neolibcon globalists like Reagan, HW and W, but in 2016 they opted for Trump instead.
Trump was wishy washy, he wasn’t a neocon, but he wasn’t a paleocon either, he was all over the map, which pissed shitlibs and neocons off, they hate paleocons, as well as people they can’t fully predict, and control.
For all his foibles, Trump was a step in the right direction.
If conservative liberals want their values represented at all, they’ll have to vote 3rd party, independent or at the very least outsiders within the republican party, otherwise they will lose their country to globalism.

You seem to have the entire world as “liberal” - even “conservative liberals” - so I wonder how you define “liberal” such that nothing else exists or should exist?

[Urwrongx1000]

@Gloominary

I want to come up with a more inclusive definition of Americanism, for in my estimation people are polarized enough as is…but not all inclusive, you have to draw the line somewhere, and I draw it well before Klaus Anal Schwab’s build back better.
Essentially Americanism is national liberalism.
All Americanists oughta have these things in common: America should exist as a sovereign nation state with borders, as a liberal democratic republic with a constitution, separation of powers and states’ rights.
Beyond that Americanism can be divided into several subtypes, chief among them:
classical/conservative liberalism, libertarianism and social liberalism.

1. Conservative Liberals (fiscally: libertarian leaning, socially: moderately conservative or populist (traditional white Christian family values).
2. Libertarians are pretty self-explanatory.
3. Social Liberals (fiscally: moderately progressive or populist (social welfare and workers’ rights), socially: libertarian leaning, not woke.

Here’s my narrative:

While republicans and democrats were of course always corrupt like anything, republicans use to loosely adhere to conservative liberalism and democrats to social liberalism, but gradually republicans got infiltrated and subverted by neocon globalists masquerading as conservative liberals while democrats got infiltrated and subverted by shitlib globalists masquerading as social liberals.

Of course conservative liberalism rather than libertarianism or social liberalism comes closest to the original liberalism of the US like the name suggests.
Today the overwhelming majority of conservative liberals are white Christians, but a few are nonwhite and irreligious.
Most of them are rural, working or lower middleclass but some are (sub)urban, middle or upperclass.

First and foremost they believe in the constitution, in free speech, gun liberalization and due process, in national sovereignty, the separation of powers and states’ rights.
Most are against further fiscal intervention other than to protect jobs from being outsourced to China, Mexico and other parts of the developing world and to prevent foreigners from buying up American housing, jobs and natural resources.
Think of them as national capitalists as opposed to global capitalists.
Most want strong borders, to close sanctuary cities and deport illegals.
Some are civic nationalists, others are white Christian nationalists.
Most are against nation building, preemptive and regime change wars.
Most are against abortion, euthanasia, CRT, gay marriage, transsexualism, drug liberalization and are tough on crime.
Lastly I want to mention most are against the technocrats’ medical apartheid.

Basically these’re the ‘deplorables’ Killary Shillary referred to in the republican party.

Up until recently, conservative liberals voted for neolibcon globalists like Reagan, HW and W, but in 2016 they opted for Trump instead.
Trump was wishy washy, he wasn’t a neocon, but he wasn’t a paleocon either, he was all over the map, which pissed shitlibs and neocons off, they hate paleocons, as well as people they can’t fully predict, and control.
For all his foibles, Trump was a step in the right direction.
If conservative liberals want their values represented at all, they’ll have to vote 3rd party, independent or at the very least outsiders within the republican party, otherwise they will lose their country to globalism.

The 2000 Bush Administration was a big push forward toward Corruption. Obama was another small push.

But the big fracture occurred, I believe, around 2010-2012, when foreign funding and bribes outpaced US domestic funding for politicians.

Then the Globalists realized they don’t need to defeat USA by force; they only need to bribe enough politicians, and it’s game over.

For the past decade, we see this rot, and collapse becomes imminent as the corruption grows exponentially.

[Gloominary]

Obsrvr

Basically, liberals are either b libertarians[/b],

or moderately conservative/center-right i.e. b conservative liberals[/b],
as opposed to far-right i.e. fascists/Nazis

or moderately progressive/center-left i.e. b social liberals[/b],
as opposed to far-left i.e. anarchists/Marxists.

For you, I take it conservatism = libertarianism, and the distinction between fascism/Nazism and Marxism is uninteresting, both are leftwing/liberalism/socialism.
For me, conservatism is a spectrum, on one end is libertarianism, on the other is fascism/Nazism or the throne and altar conservativism of Joseph de Maistre, and in the middle is the conservative liberalism of Edmund Burke.
America began conservative liberal, it was never libertarian, there was always some intervention in sociocultural life, and at least a little intervention in the economy, some protectionism, some spending on infrastructure and the like.

As for the globalists, they’re interesting, for the most part I believe what Alex Jones believes about them, altho I have my own way of wording it.
Fiscally they’re corporatists, like fascists/Nazis, but without the class collaboration, nationalism and traditionalism.
Socioculturally they adhere to political correctness, which’s a mishmash of things: anti-conspiracy theories, unless they’re globalist approved like Russiagate and Jan 6, gun control, martial law, mass surveillance, population reduction, some scientism/technocracy, some woke, the common denominator being: all these policies benefit the globalists in some way.

[obsrvr524]

@Gloominary

Obsrvr

Basically, liberals are either b libertarians[/b],

or moderately conservative/center-right i.e. b conservative liberals[/b],
as opposed to far-right i.e. fascists/Nazis

or moderately progressive/center-left i.e. b social liberals[/b],
as opposed to far-left i.e. anarchists/Marxists.

For you, I take it conservatism = libertarianism, and the distinction between fascism/Nazism and Marxism is uninteresting, both are leftwing/liberalism/socialism.
For me, conservatism is a spectrum, on one end is libertarianism, on the other is fascism/Nazism or the throne and altar conservativism of Joseph de Maistre, and in the middle is the conservative liberalism of Edmund Burke.
America began conservative liberal, it was never libertarian, there was always some intervention in sociocultural life, and at least a little intervention in the economy, some protectionism, some spending on infrastructure and the like.

As for the globalists, they’re interesting, for the most part I believe what Alex Jones believes about them, altho I have my own way of wording it.
Fiscally they’re corporatists, like fascists/Nazis, but without the class collaboration, nationalism and traditionalism.
Socioculturally they adhere to political correctness, which’s a mishmash of things: anti-conspiracy theories, unless they’re globalist approved like Russiagate and Jan 6, gun control, martial law, mass surveillance, population reduction, some scientism/technocracy, some woke, the common denominator being: all these policies benefit the globalists in some way.

What is X?
X is B+Y
What is Y?
Y is X-B
What is B?
B is X-Y

Oh -

Doesn’t the word “liberal” have a meaning independent of the other names?

In my book -

• Liberal = free of rules
• Libertarian = free from all rules EXCEPT the rules that free from the other rules
• Conservative = keep it as it is
• Centrist = let’s just all get along - let someone else manipulate
• Marxist = let’s all divide and disrupt until we rule society
• Fascism = let’s use fear and intimidation to control the peasants
• Terrorism = let’s use fear to control their government

[Gloominary]

Liberalism is liberty.
It can mean either what Americans mean by the word libertarianism, or a more moderate form of libertarianism, a moderate conservative, a moderate progressive, a moderate populist, etcetera.
What does it mean to you?

[obsrvr524]

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