Stuff just kinda always existed.
Thats how I think of God, the funny thing is one of the supporting ideas of their not being a God would be an eternal universe, but the scientist say that this universe “Began” and will someday "End’.
Which implies that there was something before it and will be something after it, ofcourse people can dispute this.
The more you think about it the less it makes sense, I believe the nature of the universe probably works on a principle we are incapable of understanding.
So eventually when thinking of existance and hitting that wall I figure “eh I have more immediate things to deal with right now like the future of humanity etc.”.
But has anything ever really been created? Ever?
Or has it simply been formed from something that was already there?
I think this is the best working explanation, but I don’t think it’s any less susceptible to philosophical critiqe than any other.
I agree with both of you on all counts (except that part about there being proof that the universe started… that’s not quite so)
This alternative isn’t less suceptible to criticism, but it is not more suceptible either and is usually not even considered an option nowadays.
Isn’t that odd. 
I didn’t say it was proven, only that the mainstream scientific coscensus seems to be that the universe began with the big bang and that the universe encompesses all of existance (something I disagree with).
Even Stephen Hawkin appearently doesn’t stand behind the big bang theory anymore. There seems to be proof that the Universe is expanding, and it seems likely that there didn’t use to be so many huge objects, but I dunno…
Man, if the universe isn’t the thing that encompasses all things that exist, then what is?
I think we are at a point of scientific elevation where we can finally say…
… maybe we don’t have a word for it.
I dunno man, if we had to pick one to use, the whole, “uni” and “verse” smooshed together thing seems to have a nice ring to me. I dunno…
Perhaps, but people probably shouldn’t presuppose concepts of existance simply because they sound good.
… Dodecahedroverse
Allofitverse?
Magically?
No.
Or things just popped into existance…magically.
Depends on your definition of, your posistion on, and belief in magic I suppose.
i’m not convinced that ‘Stuff just kinda always existed.’ and the big bang theory are mutually exclusive
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Time_dilation
perhaps 15 billion years from now it will seem like the universe suddenly exploded, and that all of existence, including today’s existence, was condensed into a singularity
Right, they aren’t.
Now start counting the stuff, oh look you always have an infinity remaining.
Even if existence is a continuum, but that it only exists in the relativistic ‘now’ moment [which also doesn’t require a creator], something has to create the continuum. …and for me we are still left with the above problem concerning its cardinality.
I think we have to not consider existence in finite terms, or we are always going to run into infinity paradoxes. There could be an infinite universe of non-stuff [emptiness], and an eternal universe of informational ‘stuff’ in a state of ever-changing relationships. Physical existence can occur cyclically [given there is a gap in between cycles] upon that basis without there being any contradiction or paradox.
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Allofitverse?
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A word I’ve come across is “multiverse” and that works for me. I have a serious problem with anything that claims the right to set any kind of boundary. As far as I can reason, life is infinite. If there be a “uni” verse, then there must, of necessity, be “multi” verses. Think of the word “verse” as the unlimited potential of poetry to describe life. Think also of the fact that poetry has to be written before it can be read. We are “writing” life all the time. If we are not, then others are doing it for us, for better, for worse. This could go a long way to explain why earth is in the mess it’s in.
Man should be evolved enough by now to realize he’s not the center of things. He should be able to handle the scope of infinity instead of continually falling into the trap of limiting his thinking, thus his reach, with outmoded concepts of “immortality” or “eternity.” Life is infinite, obvious and simple. Reality forces us to expand our mind into new and broader vistas. It’s what we do as babies, as grade schoolers, as engineers, as quantum physicists, as philosophers. We accept the fact that what we were aware of when we were three years old is not quite good enough now that we are fifty years old and engineering an 8-lane highway bridge over a two-mile wide river. As below, so above. What isn’t good enough for the daily grind is certainly not good enough to get us into the cosmos. The invitation to visit has been slipped under the door and we stand on the edge - all the time. It is fear disguised as pseudo-intellectualism, pride or various programmed “faiths” that keeps insisting we close the door.
Sha’Tara